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**arcalmanard** · 06-06-2012, 11:58 PM

Yeah, but one could say that it was dead long before the 1806 date, cuz' the Reformation and the subsequent wars effectively killed the Empire. As Voltaire would say on his time "The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy, nor Roman, much less and Empire", or something like that. What Napoleon did was practically to make de jure the existing de facto situation.

Yes, I have heard the quote numerous times. The only one that is actually debatable is the Roman part though. Germanics overthrew Rome and the popes crowned the HRE emperors so in a way they were the continuation of Rome. Really though it is just a frickin' name.

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That was funny as hell.

And true. It was a cheap ripoff of the actual Roman Empire.

Sure, not as large but it lasted longer.

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Yeah. An example of this was the way in which the French armies (both during Louis XIV and the Revolution) ravaged the Palatinate at will under the impotent nose of the emperors of the time.

I am reading a book on European history written by Steve Ozment and my favorite part is when he is quoting Napoleon. Napoleon had some of his officers visit the tomb of Frederick the Great with him and while there he told them something along the lines of "Gentlemen, if this man still lived we would not be standing here today."

06-06-2012, 11:58 PM	#15
arcalmanard Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 391 Senior Member	Yeah, but one could say that it was dead long before the 1806 date, cuz' the Reformation and the subsequent wars effectively killed the Empire. As Voltaire would say on his time "The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy, nor Roman, much less and Empire", or something like that. What Napoleon did was practically to make de jure the existing de facto situation. Yes, I have heard the quote numerous times. The only one that is actually debatable is the Roman part though. Germanics overthrew Rome and the popes crowned the HRE emperors so in a way they were the continuation of Rome. Really though it is just a frickin' name. ---------- Post added 2012-06-06 at 12:00 ---------- That was funny as hell. And true. It was a cheap ripoff of the actual Roman Empire. Sure, not as large but it lasted longer. ---------- Post added 2012-06-06 at 12:03 ---------- Yeah. An example of this was the way in which the French armies (both during Louis XIV and the Revolution) ravaged the Palatinate at will under the impotent nose of the emperors of the time. I am reading a book on European history written by Steve Ozment and my favorite part is when he is quoting Napoleon. Napoleon had some of his officers visit the tomb of Frederick the Great with him and while there he told them something along the lines of "Gentlemen, if this man still lived we would not be standing here today."
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