Very well, they are stupid. Fine, now that IS out of the way. But I look at this as a practical matter, not a philisophical one. That means we need votes. Getting votes requires sucking ass, unfortunately. That's why I say let the old timers get what they want but don't continue to promise it to everyone else. If we ended SS for everyone under 20 today, we would need the program to last about 60 years. I don't know how much that would cost. "Enslaving" the younger generations with it is no different than enslaving them with farm subsidies and foreign aid. The money could come from ending or diminishing such programs.