[MortgFinsJohnQ]

AHHH I see!

You are making an argument against Libertarianism, well then my friend you have a debate!

I would start by saying that we are much stronger defending our own Country, here, than spreading ourselves thin, across the oceans. I think that these wars make us weaker, while at the same time raising the enemy forces, based on evidence of a perceived threat. Before we showed up they thought Americans, and Western Society as a whole, were terrible people who would kill their innocent children, so what did we do? We showed up, and proved them right. Now everyone wants to be a terrorist, because what the terrorists were saying all along came true. They warned Arabs that the Americans would come, and rape their Country, and that's just exactly what happened to a good number of them. Say what you will about "Giving" them democracy, that doesn't mean much to someone who's innocent child had his face burned off in a bombing. Do we try not to kill Civies, yes, but do we succeed all, or even most of the time? No. They never assumed that risk, we assumed it for them. Why shouldn't they be mad at us at this point?

If you want there to be less terrorists, and for this world to be a much better place, you need to get rid of the reasons people have to become terrorist! What other reason is there to be a terrorist, aside from Hatred? It's not glorifying, it's doesn't pay well, it won't extend your life!

We have to realize that rather here or there, people are animals, and operate on a semi logical basis. It would be naive to say that United States or the rest of the western world have not done their fair share to earn some of that hate. After Israel, there was no way to avoid Muslim Hatred, but what we did was take a pile of shit and just smear it all over the place, and add more shit to it. We didn't clean it up, we can't, we never will. We need to work on trying to lower the heat in this situation, a few years of peace could go a long way.