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**Carfanate** · 03-08-2009, 01:47 AM

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I see little room for alliance with Iran, even if we did remove Saddam Hussein, their old worst enemy.[...]

Just to elobarate: Hussein was pushed into war against Iran by the US (it´s not too hard to find pictures of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam, taken during this period), while at the same time, the US sold weapons to Iran, in order to finance some anti-socialist gurilliros in central america (the so-called iran-contra-affair). It´s this kind of crooked policies, that made almost the entire middle east hate the US (the Taliban were built up by the US as well, against the USSR, only then they were called ´mujahedin´). It´s really not startling that Hussein didnt trust the US ever again, and played the same crooked game from then on (to the effect, that we never saw his pledoyers during his trial - he probably had A LOT to tell, that the US didnt want the world to know). Bad morale spreads more easily than a good one. During the 80´s american policy discreditated itself all the way from anatolia to the hindukush for an estimated lifetime. It will take a longer period of honest policies (a decade or so at least) and a lot of woeing for a renewal of trust on the side of the US to fix that. An openly announced bias towards israel does not really help, but is still a lot better than claiming neutrality, while still giving one-sided support (or even supporting both sides for a profit secretly).

03-08-2009, 01:47 AM	#24
Carfanate Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	[...] I see little room for alliance with Iran, even if we did remove Saddam Hussein, their old worst enemy.[...] Just to elobarate: Hussein was pushed into war against Iran by the US (it´s not too hard to find pictures of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam, taken during this period), while at the same time, the US sold weapons to Iran, in order to finance some anti-socialist gurilliros in central america (the so-called iran-contra-affair). It´s this kind of crooked policies, that made almost the entire middle east hate the US (the Taliban were built up by the US as well, against the USSR, only then they were called ´mujahedin´). It´s really not startling that Hussein didnt trust the US ever again, and played the same crooked game from then on (to the effect, that we never saw his pledoyers during his trial - he probably had A LOT to tell, that the US didnt want the world to know). Bad morale spreads more easily than a good one. During the 80´s american policy discreditated itself all the way from anatolia to the hindukush for an estimated lifetime. It will take a longer period of honest policies (a decade or so at least) and a lot of woeing for a renewal of trust on the side of the US to fix that. An openly announced bias towards israel does not really help, but is still a lot better than claiming neutrality, while still giving one-sided support (or even supporting both sides for a profit secretly).
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