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**Worseacar** · 04-21-2010, 05:30 PM

Sarkozy was in the gaullist UMP before becoming pres, they count as conservative.

As for nationalism and xenophobia, a rather moderate form of national pride and flag-waving has made a certain comeback in Hermania after 1990, and would maybe fall under 'patriotism' in the US, but outright xenophobia is usually a big Nono here for most mainstream politicians. There were/are some examples for such positions in the conservative part of the CDU, but usually such stuff happens mostly at the far-right side (which stands here often for 'neo-nazi'). On the left side some criticism towards Israel's policy vs. the Palestinians is so broad-sweeping and hysteric that it can count as anti-semitic, but it's not the mainstream either.

People like the Dutch Geert Wilders or the earlier Austrian Haider are usually described as 'right-wing populist' in the Kraut media, which means depending on the POV of the source sometimes 'fascist', sometimes (in case of the Dutch guy) 'Islam-critic' and sometimes 'charismatic guy with simplistic views on stuff offering simplistic answers for probs'. They are a relatively new phenomenon and IMO seem to live mainly from the failure of mainstream politics to handle certain issues (like immigration/integration).

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Worseacar Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	Sarkozy was in the gaullist UMP before becoming pres, they count as conservative. As for nationalism and xenophobia, a rather moderate form of national pride and flag-waving has made a certain comeback in Hermania after 1990, and would maybe fall under 'patriotism' in the US, but outright xenophobia is usually a big Nono here for most mainstream politicians. There were/are some examples for such positions in the conservative part of the CDU, but usually such stuff happens mostly at the far-right side (which stands here often for 'neo-nazi'). On the left side some criticism towards Israel's policy vs. the Palestinians is so broad-sweeping and hysteric that it can count as anti-semitic, but it's not the mainstream either. People like the Dutch Geert Wilders or the earlier Austrian Haider are usually described as 'right-wing populist' in the Kraut media, which means depending on the POV of the source sometimes 'fascist', sometimes (in case of the Dutch guy) 'Islam-critic' and sometimes 'charismatic guy with simplistic views on stuff offering simplistic answers for probs'. They are a relatively new phenomenon and IMO seem to live mainly from the failure of mainstream politics to handle certain issues (like immigration/integration).
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