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**wrbwrbwrb** · 01-15-2010, 08:37 AM

Psychiatric treatments do not have a pleasant history. Especially recently, anti-depressants and the like have been found to do more harm than good.

Consider SSRIs and other anti-depressants which make people suicidal. Unbelievable! And the applications and effects on American youth are frightening.

Of all the sciences being abused by the "powers that be" (Big-pharma, etc), psychology and psychiatry are by far the most dangerous. Huxley had a few things to say about this kind of "medicine", and unfortunately for us he's been prophetic.

No, I'm not convinced by that at all! For instance, it was recently reported here in Sweden that increased and better use of anti-depressants (incl. SSRIs) are most likely responsible for the sharp drop (-18%) in suicides over the last decade.

It was found from toxicological analyses that a lot less (n=420) of more than 17000 suicidal patients from 1995-2005 had traces of anti-depressants in their body compared to a control group (600). This would mean that 500-600 suicides are prevented each year in the national population, a huge amount. Edit: There were no pharma companies involved in this particular study.

I'd have to read up on it to be able to speak more authoritatively, and I realize that studies from other parts of the world may not have found a similar protective effect, but to claim that psychiatry (or psychology - which is a different field!) are "most dangerous" seems hysterical.

If you don't trust science about mental illness, who do you trust? By no means am I implying blind trust or that scientists are infallible or don't produce contradictory results at times, but trust in the scientific method and consensus over time.

Edit, a relevant graph:

Anti-depressant use (in cyan) rising, while suicides (in lilac) drop.

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wrbwrbwrb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 355 Senior Member	Psychiatric treatments do not have a pleasant history. Especially recently, anti-depressants and the like have been found to do more harm than good. Consider SSRIs and other anti-depressants which make people suicidal. Unbelievable! And the applications and effects on American youth are frightening. Of all the sciences being abused by the "powers that be" (Big-pharma, etc), psychology and psychiatry are by far the most dangerous. Huxley had a few things to say about this kind of "medicine", and unfortunately for us he's been prophetic. No, I'm not convinced by that at all! For instance, it was recently reported here in Sweden that increased and better use of anti-depressants (incl. SSRIs) are most likely responsible for the sharp drop (-18%) in suicides over the last decade. It was found from toxicological analyses that a lot less (n=420) of more than 17000 suicidal patients from 1995-2005 had traces of anti-depressants in their body compared to a control group (600). This would mean that 500-600 suicides are prevented each year in the national population, a huge amount. Edit: There were no pharma companies involved in this particular study. I'd have to read up on it to be able to speak more authoritatively, and I realize that studies from other parts of the world may not have found a similar protective effect, but to claim that psychiatry (or psychology - which is a different field!) are "most dangerous" seems hysterical. If you don't trust science about mental illness, who do you trust? By no means am I implying blind trust or that scientists are infallible or don't produce contradictory results at times, but trust in the scientific method and consensus over time. Edit, a relevant graph: Anti-depressant use (in cyan) rising, while suicides (in lilac) drop.
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