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**CxofxJFm** · 08-27-2009, 09:26 AM

Let's not take it down that road. The list of war crimes by Israel and Hamas is considerable. Many of those could be described primarily as minor incidents and provocations, unlike the mediatized rocket fire by Hamas. Still it's naive to claim Israel's innocence. We could go a long way debating this, but for me the point still stands that if Hamas renounces suicide attacks and Israel stops expanding its colonial settlements then a sustainable solution is possible.

Unfortunately neither side feels they should make that first move so it won't happen.

I'm not saying Israel is perfect. I'm saying they are clearly better than Hamas.

PS: the myth about the phone calls and leaflets is a load of bs. There is no strategic advantage whatsoever for the IDF to do that, unless you want to engage in psychological warfare, scaring and intidmidating the population. If your claim is that Hamas soldiers hide amongst the civilians, then why on earth would you alert your foes about your plans anyway. Just doesn't make any sense. Of course it's used as intimidation. But it's not a myth. It's simply psychological warfare by means of warning the civilians.

Hamas hiding among civilians is not a "claim." It's a fact.

PS2:

Hamas doesn't care much about casualties. Their rocket fire is a political tool to pressurize Israel. It has little to no military value. Granted it's a stupid thing to do since it further aggravates tensions, but there you go: they're a bunch of hatemongering *******s too as we all know.
Israel reduces civilian casualties to a certain degree since it disposes of far more powerful means, true. I wouldn't exaggerate it though, like I said there's a number of vile acts by the IDF that just don't compete with the Hamas rockets..

It's nice to know you agree with me there.

08-27-2009, 09:26 AM	#29
CxofxJFm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 464 Senior Member	Let's not take it down that road. The list of war crimes by Israel and Hamas is considerable. Many of those could be described primarily as minor incidents and provocations, unlike the mediatized rocket fire by Hamas. Still it's naive to claim Israel's innocence. We could go a long way debating this, but for me the point still stands that if Hamas renounces suicide attacks and Israel stops expanding its colonial settlements then a sustainable solution is possible. Unfortunately neither side feels they should make that first move so it won't happen. I'm not saying Israel is perfect. I'm saying they are clearly better than Hamas. PS: the myth about the phone calls and leaflets is a load of bs. There is no strategic advantage whatsoever for the IDF to do that, unless you want to engage in psychological warfare, scaring and intidmidating the population. If your claim is that Hamas soldiers hide amongst the civilians, then why on earth would you alert your foes about your plans anyway. Just doesn't make any sense. Of course it's used as intimidation. But it's not a myth. It's simply psychological warfare by means of warning the civilians. Hamas hiding among civilians is not a "claim." It's a fact. PS2: Hamas doesn't care much about casualties. Their rocket fire is a political tool to pressurize Israel. It has little to no military value. Granted it's a stupid thing to do since it further aggravates tensions, but there you go: they're a bunch of hatemongering *******s too as we all know. Israel reduces civilian casualties to a certain degree since it disposes of far more powerful means, true. I wouldn't exaggerate it though, like I said there's a number of vile acts by the IDF that just don't compete with the Hamas rockets.. It's nice to know you agree with me there.
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