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**pseusawbappem** · 06-20-2012, 12:30 PM

The Buddha, being Enlightened when He gave the 5 Precepts for the lay followers and the ordained, said these are the way to live a morally proper life. We as humans always want to have exceptions to the "rules" we're given. They don't make sense to us as we are ignorant. As I understand the Precepts, there is no room for exceptions. Killing, no matter why, is killing, stealing no matter why is stealing.......ect

The animal realm, is a lower realm where no positive Karma can be gained. But by chance, as the animals that live in my home, they can hear the Dharma and possibly it helps their bad Karma to ripen quicker. This is from the Mahayana view.

I really suggest studying and meditating to help realize that there is no exceptions to the teachings/precepts they are the truth. I mean no disrespect to you in saying that many of your posts keep seeking justification for violence or killing. In Buddhism as I understand there is none.

With Metta

If there are no exceptions to the Precepts, then how do you feel about these...

The one who had to steal food at a market because there is no other option, no money to purchase it.

The one who had to kill to defend themselves, because they were given no other option by the other.

The one who had to lie to save their life, or that of anothers, for example, in Nazi Germany, when the S.S. were hunting down all the jews, and the friends of those who hid them, would lie about where they were at.

There are many examples of where an exception is needed. To deny exceptions, would result in more suffering then it would to use them, in many scenarios, that happen every day.

If you say there are no exceptions, then you would never break them yourself? Ever?

That person didn't have to steal the food, they could have simply died off.

That person didn't have to kill the other, they could have simply let the other kill them, even if it would result in further death, like say that of their loved ones.

That person didn't have to lie, they could have told the truth, at risk of causing suffering to themselves, or many others.

Wouldn't it make more sense, be more rational, to add to the end of each of the precepts "...unless absolutely necessary."

06-20-2012, 12:30 PM	#14
pseusawbappem Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	The Buddha, being Enlightened when He gave the 5 Precepts for the lay followers and the ordained, said these are the way to live a morally proper life. We as humans always want to have exceptions to the "rules" we're given. They don't make sense to us as we are ignorant. As I understand the Precepts, there is no room for exceptions. Killing, no matter why, is killing, stealing no matter why is stealing.......ect The animal realm, is a lower realm where no positive Karma can be gained. But by chance, as the animals that live in my home, they can hear the Dharma and possibly it helps their bad Karma to ripen quicker. This is from the Mahayana view. I really suggest studying and meditating to help realize that there is no exceptions to the teachings/precepts they are the truth. I mean no disrespect to you in saying that many of your posts keep seeking justification for violence or killing. In Buddhism as I understand there is none. With Metta If there are no exceptions to the Precepts, then how do you feel about these... The one who had to steal food at a market because there is no other option, no money to purchase it. The one who had to kill to defend themselves, because they were given no other option by the other. The one who had to lie to save their life, or that of anothers, for example, in Nazi Germany, when the S.S. were hunting down all the jews, and the friends of those who hid them, would lie about where they were at. There are many examples of where an exception is needed. To deny exceptions, would result in more suffering then it would to use them, in many scenarios, that happen every day. If you say there are no exceptions, then you would never break them yourself? Ever? That person didn't have to steal the food, they could have simply died off. That person didn't have to kill the other, they could have simply let the other kill them, even if it would result in further death, like say that of their loved ones. That person didn't have to lie, they could have told the truth, at risk of causing suffering to themselves, or many others. Wouldn't it make more sense, be more rational, to add to the end of each of the precepts "...unless absolutely necessary."
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