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**somamasoso** · 03-02-2012, 03:25 AM

The 4 Noble truths, there not avoidable there not scientific as such they just are, well the truth, all backgrounds and religions wether budhist or not will go through these truths, how they recognise them or act upon decides weather or not they are budhist.

Number three, is the Cessation, I assume this means accepting you can not change what has happened to you need to look to the present time and act accordingly to prevent spiraling despair and other sad , angry emotions taking over make the future dark and unhappy.

I did not notice, the Fourth truth in there, maybe I missed it but I re read it a few times and did not notice it so I can not comment.

I see it as if you allow yourself to feel negatively, if you blame yourself you will never be able to to cease the feelings where as if you accept and move on you can reach an inner peace so to speak.

is this the basic principle of budhism, letting go of pain and suffering for yourself and wishing well on others in the hope that one day they too will be able to not take the negatives personally and let them go.

Is it ok to intervene if you see a loved one suffering, and try to walk them through the noble truths or is this against the beliefs.

dear Justen

the four noble truths are as follows:

1. the 1st truth lists the experiences that are suffering to people: sickness, death, sorrow, pain, despair, separation, attachment, etc

2. the 2nd truth explains the cause of suffering, which is desire: desire for sensual pleasure, desire to be & desire not to be

3. the 3rd truth explains the experience of the cessation of suffering, which happens when desire ends

4. the 4th truth is about The Way to end suffering, which is using the 8 Fold Path

therefore, if we are to use the 4 Noble Truths to end suffering, we focus on ending desire

for example, despair & angry emotions are often caused by desire & expectation, such as wanting something & not getting it. when we want something & do not get it, this creates anger & despair

or blaming oneself can also an example of unrealistic desire & expectation. nobody is born into the world with perfect knowledge. everybody makes unskilful or naive actions, which can result in not acheiving what one wants. therefore, to expect we should always act perfectly & to blame oneself is an unrealistic expectation

as you said, acceptance is the way to end suffering because acceptance is the letting go of desires & expectations

kind regards

Nick

03-02-2012, 03:25 AM	#7
somamasoso Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	The 4 Noble truths, there not avoidable there not scientific as such they just are, well the truth, all backgrounds and religions wether budhist or not will go through these truths, how they recognise them or act upon decides weather or not they are budhist. Number three, is the Cessation, I assume this means accepting you can not change what has happened to you need to look to the present time and act accordingly to prevent spiraling despair and other sad , angry emotions taking over make the future dark and unhappy. I did not notice, the Fourth truth in there, maybe I missed it but I re read it a few times and did not notice it so I can not comment. I see it as if you allow yourself to feel negatively, if you blame yourself you will never be able to to cease the feelings where as if you accept and move on you can reach an inner peace so to speak. is this the basic principle of budhism, letting go of pain and suffering for yourself and wishing well on others in the hope that one day they too will be able to not take the negatives personally and let them go. Is it ok to intervene if you see a loved one suffering, and try to walk them through the noble truths or is this against the beliefs. dear Justen the four noble truths are as follows: 1. the 1st truth lists the experiences that are suffering to people: sickness, death, sorrow, pain, despair, separation, attachment, etc 2. the 2nd truth explains the cause of suffering, which is desire: desire for sensual pleasure, desire to be & desire not to be 3. the 3rd truth explains the experience of the cessation of suffering, which happens when desire ends 4. the 4th truth is about The Way to end suffering, which is using the 8 Fold Path therefore, if we are to use the 4 Noble Truths to end suffering, we focus on ending desire for example, despair & angry emotions are often caused by desire & expectation, such as wanting something & not getting it. when we want something & do not get it, this creates anger & despair or blaming oneself can also an example of unrealistic desire & expectation. nobody is born into the world with perfect knowledge. everybody makes unskilful or naive actions, which can result in not acheiving what one wants. therefore, to expect we should always act perfectly & to blame oneself is an unrealistic expectation as you said, acceptance is the way to end suffering because acceptance is the letting go of desires & expectations kind regards Nick
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