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**gyjsdtuwr** · 12-08-2011, 10:31 AM

right, im not trying to say i think there is a permanently existing soul. what im trying to get at is what reincarnates? thats one of the things i never understood well.

i think you are saying that the "permanent self" does not exist because it always changes, i agree with this. the thing which i am or am not is what is causing me confusion ha.

Sabbasava Sutta (MN 2)

"This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?'

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"He attends appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices.

12-08-2011, 10:31 AM	#11
gyjsdtuwr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 558 Senior Member	right, im not trying to say i think there is a permanently existing soul. what im trying to get at is what reincarnates? thats one of the things i never understood well. i think you are saying that the "permanent self" does not exist because it always changes, i agree with this. the thing which i am or am not is what is causing me confusion ha. Sabbasava Sutta (MN 2) "This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?' ... "He attends appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices.
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