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Old 12-05-2011, 09:01 AM   #32
Stetbrate

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I thought Karama is not determinism! Even a layperson have a choice and it can be found in the "present moment"!. In addtion, when you say "unpaid karmic debts" that requires the existance of an ominiscient being to keep a tally which is not the way i understand the law of Karma.
Karma is not determinism, but debt still needs to be paid.

It's like you borrow money from the bank. Karma said that you must paid back what you borrow to the bank. It is up to you on how you want to pay them back, or choose not to pay them back and suffer the consequences (which in a way, is still repaying the debt, just in a different form.). You have a choice.

There is no need for an omniscient being to keep track of karmic debts. The people you owed the karmic debt will keep track of it well enough. Just like the bank keeps track of the debt you owed and will do everything to recover, even after you die, banks will still try to come after your remaining assets or from your heirs.

Well, i thought that the right path was the one mentioned in the fourth nobel truth!! is there any other path mentioned by the Buddha?
Does the fourth path say that you must become a bhikkhus ? A Path is not the same as "The Path." Also, I don't know if you are familiar with a Zen saying, (paraphrased and summarized) "Don't mistaken the finger that points to the moon for the moon itself."

Do you agree/disagree? Do you think Arahanship is achievable by a layperson?
I try not to speculate on things that I do not personally understand. Plus, I am so far away from arahantship, it doesn't do me any good to speculate on it.

Let me illustrate my attitude toward this point: think of arahantship as a Bachelor degree from college. If I am still in the kindergarten, what is the use for me to speculate on what I need to do in college in order to get a Bachelor degree? I should think about graduating from the kindergarten first.
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