By the way, I think even the most "seasoned" dharma student has much more to learn. In fact in one commentary I was looking at, there were some things mentioned that were not specifically addressed in that commentary, and it was explained that the reason was to remind those studying that there were so many things that they don't know. Even after practicing a while, it is good to keep the mind of a "beginner", so we will not have such a full head, and we will always be able to learn more. By a full head, I mean full of pride and arrogance, as opposed to knowledge! Terma