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**swoluelvede** · 11-01-2011, 08:46 PM

OP: by daniela
“Should I use words to make mindfulness easier?” By Deshy: “Silent observation is mostly advised. Internal chatter is very unproductive IMO. It is best not to train the mind to incline towards internal dialogs with every experience and feeling. It is unproductive in daily life and certainly a big hindrance to reach deeper stages in meditation.” by Kaarine Alejandra: “This is very important to comprehend and to take into account. Silence and contemplation, IMO, has worked very well. To get ride, in meditation, internal dialogue is a good way to improve letting go and being in the present moment... mindfulness.”
This would fit with the suttas. When discursive thought gets in the way, the problem lies mostly in a lack of correct ānāpāna to develop calm. Once established, this calm is unperturbed by discursive thoughts.

“Ānāpānassatisamādhissa, bhikkhave, bhāvitattā bahulīkatattā neva kāyassa iñjitattaṃ vā hoti phanditattaṃ vā, na cittassa iñjitattaṃ vā hoti phanditattaṃ vā.

“Monks, it is composure through mindfulness of in and out breathing, when developed and practiced of which there is no shaking or movement in the body, and no shaking or movement in the mind.” - SN. 5.10.1.7 Thoughts are things, as it were. And these things are sensate. When these can be experienced as such without exploring a concept of them, then the knowledge of how they construct will be evident. This is the building of contemplative knowledge and wisdom.

11-01-2011, 08:46 PM	#12
swoluelvede Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 358 Senior Member	OP: by daniela “Should I use words to make mindfulness easier?” By Deshy: “Silent observation is mostly advised. Internal chatter is very unproductive IMO. It is best not to train the mind to incline towards internal dialogs with every experience and feeling. It is unproductive in daily life and certainly a big hindrance to reach deeper stages in meditation.” by Kaarine Alejandra: “This is very important to comprehend and to take into account. Silence and contemplation, IMO, has worked very well. To get ride, in meditation, internal dialogue is a good way to improve letting go and being in the present moment... mindfulness.” This would fit with the suttas. When discursive thought gets in the way, the problem lies mostly in a lack of correct ānāpāna to develop calm. Once established, this calm is unperturbed by discursive thoughts. “Ānāpānassatisamādhissa, bhikkhave, bhāvitattā bahulīkatattā neva kāyassa iñjitattaṃ vā hoti phanditattaṃ vā, na cittassa iñjitattaṃ vā hoti phanditattaṃ vā. “Monks, it is composure through mindfulness of in and out breathing, when developed and practiced of which there is no shaking or movement in the body, and no shaking or movement in the mind.” - SN. 5.10.1.7 Thoughts are things, as it were. And these things are sensate. When these can be experienced as such without exploring a concept of them, then the knowledge of how they construct will be evident. This is the building of contemplative knowledge and wisdom.
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