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**SetSnonejog** · 09-07-2011, 04:21 PM

Hi Kris,
thanks for the brief but insightful posts. The 3 month meditation without
drugs, which yielded a 3 day full on 'trip' 4 me, is, if conditions r good 4 me some
day , the point at which i hope to really start my 'seaching' again.

Hi Paul,
Why wait? You can start right away with simple steps. The journey of a thousand miles etc...

The dual wakeing/dreaming cons's is a multidimensional state of consciousness , which as yet i
have found no common ground in Buddhism It's hard to find exact parallels in written (and via a translator) texts for internal experiences as they tend to be unique. I also suspect that different people will describe similar experiences in very different ways, as words mean different things to different folks. In any case, I'd be wary of accepting any on-line diagnosis. Many people will have an opinion on what you write but have they also experienced the same thing?

it is a state of awareness that is inclusive of ego awareness but is also as one with the inner dreaming self which has its fingers in many pies. For me this dreaming self is aware of all of the other selves in all of their times in all of their places, at once, + all that this implies. There are different possibilities but without wanting to appear a bit 'simplistic' or 'off-the-cuff' we can apply some basic criteria to the experience. It was impermanent (a noble truth) and contained "ego awareness". Buddha taught the various levels of absorption as a means to liberation. Perhaps this state could be used to this end? That's kind of where it's at with Buddhism. The followers of Buddha were taught not to cling to any states they attained and with good reason.
This ethos starts with our sensory experiences during normal waking time and goes from there.

As i understad it , it was existent b4 any physical materialisation, so i hope i can reach it again someday + again perhaps use it as a means to try + enter into void Chances are, that it will never exactly replicate again, as it was a specific moment of breakthrough but meditation practice on the breath, can be used to "enter the void". You can do this right now.

Namaste
Kris

09-07-2011, 04:21 PM	#31
SetSnonejog Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 623 Senior Member	Hi Kris, thanks for the brief but insightful posts. The 3 month meditation without drugs, which yielded a 3 day full on 'trip' 4 me, is, if conditions r good 4 me some day , the point at which i hope to really start my 'seaching' again. Hi Paul, Why wait? You can start right away with simple steps. The journey of a thousand miles etc... The dual wakeing/dreaming cons's is a multidimensional state of consciousness , which as yet i have found no common ground in Buddhism It's hard to find exact parallels in written (and via a translator) texts for internal experiences as they tend to be unique. I also suspect that different people will describe similar experiences in very different ways, as words mean different things to different folks. In any case, I'd be wary of accepting any on-line diagnosis. Many people will have an opinion on what you write but have they also experienced the same thing? it is a state of awareness that is inclusive of ego awareness but is also as one with the inner dreaming self which has its fingers in many pies. For me this dreaming self is aware of all of the other selves in all of their times in all of their places, at once, + all that this implies. There are different possibilities but without wanting to appear a bit 'simplistic' or 'off-the-cuff' we can apply some basic criteria to the experience. It was impermanent (a noble truth) and contained "ego awareness". Buddha taught the various levels of absorption as a means to liberation. Perhaps this state could be used to this end? That's kind of where it's at with Buddhism. The followers of Buddha were taught not to cling to any states they attained and with good reason. This ethos starts with our sensory experiences during normal waking time and goes from there. As i understad it , it was existent b4 any physical materialisation, so i hope i can reach it again someday + again perhaps use it as a means to try + enter into void Chances are, that it will never exactly replicate again, as it was a specific moment of breakthrough but meditation practice on the breath, can be used to "enter the void". You can do this right now. Namaste Kris
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