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**MightyMasd** · 09-04-2011, 10:07 PM

A- To abandon my ego: maybe the ego can cause suffering and can be troublesome somtimes, but it still mine and i have been identifying myself with it my whole life, and what is the substitution: something incomprehensible to those who have not experienced it! and there is no guarantee that i will ever get there (or it may take me many lifes!)

To abandon ego happens when impermanence is realized, understood, experienced. When there is the realization that there is no such thing as "I", "me" or "mine". That nothing really belongs to us, because of impermanence.

B- To give up passion: according to existentialists, being passionate about something is the only way to have a subjective meaning to your life in a meaningless world. Buddha recommends dispassion, a quite mind, awareness so to find happiness in the world as it is and not as we want it to be. Passionate feelings are because we crave, we cling and we get attached to what is by nature impermanent and will lead us into endless unsatisfactoriness due bringing pain, lamentation, sorrow, stress and all the bunch of sufferings.

C- To liberate myself from desires: how dry and boring my life could be without desires? Try to be liberated from craving and clinging... experience it and then decide Bundojky.

Could that be the case with buddhism (renouncing material stuff when you cannot attain them)? does that explain why buddhism flourished in poor countries and started to decline when economies in asia started to boom? Not at all. I live in a poor country and what has flourished is Catholisism not Buddhism. In the US and United Kingdom, there, Buddhism has flourished in an outstanding way. Japan has a huge Zen Buddhist tradition.

Buddhism can give us happiness with out the need of an outstanding set of material things around us. This do not mean that we have to live in poverty. The Buddha never advised that.

Buddhism asks us to drop our ego, so is it possible that the dropper is the ego (in a more subtle/cunning/harder-to-detect way)? is buddhism another way for the ego to strengthen itself (so instead of calling people poor/lazy/failures we call them modest/ content/spiritually rich which is quite fulfiling for the ego)! There is no such dropping but realization that there is no real "I", "me" or "mine" through deep contemplation of impermanent nature of things.

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MightyMasd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	A- To abandon my ego: maybe the ego can cause suffering and can be troublesome somtimes, but it still mine and i have been identifying myself with it my whole life, and what is the substitution: something incomprehensible to those who have not experienced it! and there is no guarantee that i will ever get there (or it may take me many lifes!) To abandon ego happens when impermanence is realized, understood, experienced. When there is the realization that there is no such thing as "I", "me" or "mine". That nothing really belongs to us, because of impermanence. B- To give up passion: according to existentialists, being passionate about something is the only way to have a subjective meaning to your life in a meaningless world. Buddha recommends dispassion, a quite mind, awareness so to find happiness in the world as it is and not as we want it to be. Passionate feelings are because we crave, we cling and we get attached to what is by nature impermanent and will lead us into endless unsatisfactoriness due bringing pain, lamentation, sorrow, stress and all the bunch of sufferings. C- To liberate myself from desires: how dry and boring my life could be without desires? Try to be liberated from craving and clinging... experience it and then decide Bundojky. Could that be the case with buddhism (renouncing material stuff when you cannot attain them)? does that explain why buddhism flourished in poor countries and started to decline when economies in asia started to boom? Not at all. I live in a poor country and what has flourished is Catholisism not Buddhism. In the US and United Kingdom, there, Buddhism has flourished in an outstanding way. Japan has a huge Zen Buddhist tradition. Buddhism can give us happiness with out the need of an outstanding set of material things around us. This do not mean that we have to live in poverty. The Buddha never advised that. Buddhism asks us to drop our ego, so is it possible that the dropper is the ego (in a more subtle/cunning/harder-to-detect way)? is buddhism another way for the ego to strengthen itself (so instead of calling people poor/lazy/failures we call them modest/ content/spiritually rich which is quite fulfiling for the ego)! There is no such dropping but realization that there is no real "I", "me" or "mine" through deep contemplation of impermanent nature of things.
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