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Old 08-16-2011, 11:19 PM   #9
GarryPaterson

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"In this very fathom long body along with perceptions and thoughts, do I proclaim the world, the origin of the world, the end of the world and the path leading to the end of the world."

himanshu, most people need a teacher and/or school at some point. I wish I had some useful information to help point you in the right direction in India, but I don't. Instead, I would just like to point out that the eventual goal is to grow beyond the need for teachers, including the Buddha himself. No matter where you go and what you learn/practice, your liberation will only come from within your own fathom-long body, not from outside it. Best to you.
Thanks. And I completely agree with you. As you say, everyone might need a teacher at some point, and I just feel that I could do with one at this point. But I truly understand that there is no liberation beyond understanding that liberation was always the case. In that sense, I am not looking for "liberation" or "enlightenment" really. I just feel there are some issues of the mind to be worked out, and to do that, it might be helpful to communicate with a teacher. Not a matter of life or death, nor a matter or enlightenment or not. I don't think corresponding with a teacher would liberate me or anything. I know I might be sounding contradictory. (Apologies if this goes against someone's views, but its just that it depends on how a word like enlightenment/liberation is used. For me, "enlightenment" and "person-hood" are opposite ideas. There is no "person", just constantly changing experience, so what is it that could be liberated? At the same time, given the natural continuity of life, whereby things arise from previous moments, an apparent "person/self" does also exist in a way. To that extent, the person can try and improve things, about himself and the world (even though there is no "doer" entity doing things, nor an "experiencer" entity holding the cumulative experience of a person's life). But in the end, there is no such thing as an "enlightened person" constantly manifesting/experiencing something called enlightenment. But that can also be contradicted depending on what one is trying to express Anyways, this is to clarify the reason I started this thread, and what I hope to get (and what I don't) by looking for a teacher.

Hi himansuh,

Originally Posted by himanshu I feel that I am no longer prone to suffering
Sorry if I misunderstand your post. Because of my bad English.
There are 2 meaning of "Suffering (dukkhā)".

First is "The 5 groups of existence connected with clinging are suffering".
Second is "Mentally disagreeable feeling (cetasikā dukkhā-vedanā = domanassa)".

The first one is the nature of mind that clinging to 5 groups of existence. It is dukkha even though feeling sukkha.
Firstly, I would want to clarify the complete sentence that I wrote was:
At a gross level, I feel that I am no longer prone to suffering.
Later on, in my original post I did also mention how the mind is still prone to unwholesome behavior (which you could call suffering)

So if the purpose of your post was to let me know that I could still be prone to "suffering", I already know that Which is why I am looking to be able to communicate with a teacher, to work out some of the finer dysfunctional patterns I find existing in my mind.

EDIT: Additionally, I have recently become interested in Shamatha meditation, as a means of refining one's attentional abilities, and if by any chance, anyone knows anything about such teachers/groups in India, please do post here (probably unlikely, but thought I'd ask anyway).
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