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**carinsurancess** · 04-30-2011, 06:39 AM

What about their free will in that case?

Wow, what a tough issue!

Well, take this just as a very personal opinion, please.

I do not believe that something as a god really exists at all. Still less, one who chooses people for his own personal interests. I think that any idea about god are delusions of mind or convenient ways to endure an existence so to dwell in a comfortable cocoon. We have free will within a set of conditions like culture or like biological conditioning as a genetic heritage in a way people is born with some sort of limitations; and happens sometimes that we also are attached to this "comfortable" limitations. As we understand and realize this, as we understand how this condition our own will, there is free will and it can be widen into unsuspected heights. One different thing is to have some sort of limitations and other very different is to say we are determined by something or someone we imagine. But I know that for some people to tell them that the idea of god or any sort of metaphysical entity they have chosen is delusional can be truly threatening.

When we contemplate a flower and its beauty or we hear a tune and its beauty we are contemplating just that and I think there is no need to put god in all this. In simple terms there is a flower and a tune and we react at those with mental fabrications. Where once was a beautiful tune, maybe in an other moment it will not be so; there is the unaware fabrication.

The real choice is about giving up all our delusions about life, god, and the like that makes us to be tightly attached to them. I really think that the teachings given by the historical Buddha, especially in the Pali Dhamma, are about this core aspect of our life. Most of the time we act through our own personal delusions and fabrications and the attachments to them.

Maybe the important determinism is the one that makes us run away form what we do not like, to get attached to what we like and to ignore that most of our life is about this given conditioning. At the base of all this is the not well understood fact about that all things are by nature unsatisfactory, also the most beautiful fabrication about god, because of their impermanent same nature.

04-30-2011, 06:39 AM	#25
carinsurancess Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 404 Senior Member	What about their free will in that case? Wow, what a tough issue! Well, take this just as a very personal opinion, please. I do not believe that something as a god really exists at all. Still less, one who chooses people for his own personal interests. I think that any idea about god are delusions of mind or convenient ways to endure an existence so to dwell in a comfortable cocoon. We have free will within a set of conditions like culture or like biological conditioning as a genetic heritage in a way people is born with some sort of limitations; and happens sometimes that we also are attached to this "comfortable" limitations. As we understand and realize this, as we understand how this condition our own will, there is free will and it can be widen into unsuspected heights. One different thing is to have some sort of limitations and other very different is to say we are determined by something or someone we imagine. But I know that for some people to tell them that the idea of god or any sort of metaphysical entity they have chosen is delusional can be truly threatening. When we contemplate a flower and its beauty or we hear a tune and its beauty we are contemplating just that and I think there is no need to put god in all this. In simple terms there is a flower and a tune and we react at those with mental fabrications. Where once was a beautiful tune, maybe in an other moment it will not be so; there is the unaware fabrication. The real choice is about giving up all our delusions about life, god, and the like that makes us to be tightly attached to them. I really think that the teachings given by the historical Buddha, especially in the Pali Dhamma, are about this core aspect of our life. Most of the time we act through our own personal delusions and fabrications and the attachments to them. Maybe the important determinism is the one that makes us run away form what we do not like, to get attached to what we like and to ignore that most of our life is about this given conditioning. At the base of all this is the not well understood fact about that all things are by nature unsatisfactory, also the most beautiful fabrication about god, because of their impermanent same nature.
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