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Old 01-04-2011, 12:21 AM   #14
pumpineemob

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Also, while im on the topic of enlightenment, is it possible to attain enlightenment without fully following the noble eightfold path? Nibbana occurs when craving has ceased

The Noble Eightfold Path Begins with Right View, which in essence is a view that leads to not wanting or adverting from things, i.e. not craving

This then leads to seeing impermanence, dukkha and anatta when then goes into a feedback loop into right view, which then leads to more vision and less craving and so on until all craving has ceased

If one steps out of the Noble Eightfold Path then one has entered the path of wanting or repelling and so there will be no nibbana, since there is craving to get, craving to enjoy or craving to get rid of and craving leads to grasping which leads to dukkha

For example, can one who isnt necessarily a vegitarian Dont have to be a vegertarian to follow the Noble Eight Fold Path

, or occassionally has some wine or beer, etc. But, who still maintains right thought, right understanding, and right intention, still achieve enlightenment? If you drink then there is no Right View and so no Right intention etc

Or must the path fully be followed in order to achieve enlightenment? Yes, however you dont "achieve" nibbana

Nibbana is what is left when craving has ceased

If you want nibbana, there will be no nibbana

Will clinging to past pleasures (perhaps video games, movies, fine food, etc.) hold one back from achieving enlightment? If one clingings then Right View has not been fully developed and so there will be dukkha and no nibbana

More or less, im asking if someone who is generally good (but not wholly good) can still achieve enlightenment eventually? One can be good but still not have craving cease and so there is no nibbana
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