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**ZZChristopher** · 11-02-2011, 10:27 PM

ps from what I read in fact mixing was not that common as we perceive it, untill 100 years ago or in some communities maybe 50 years ago. Amerika as a complete mish-mash is just quite recent invention. For a long time members of many communities used to stick to their own kind. Scotts lived next door to Germans, but did not mix for a few generations. English stayed with english, Scandinavians were known for staying apart too. Italians were very family oriented and closed community, they at first did not even intermarry with Italians from other parts of Italy, forget foreigners. Irish, Spanish, Polish, Jewish etc thay stayed in own communities for a while too.
I was surprised myself reading that, but it sounds even rational when you analyse it. People came from various parts of the world or even Europe, various languages, habits, religions- before you get americanised, it takes a while, then your edge need to soften, openess to come up etc.

---------- Post added 2011-11-02 at 14:28 ----------

Actually Americans traditionally don't mix Scottish and English under British. I do, but i'm one quarter British Isles heritage, so I don't divide that up. An American Scot who knows they're Scottish would never AFAIK call themselves british. That would be rare in any case.

I understand, my input was mainly in relation to what other member said and what was misread imo.

---------- Post added 2011-11-02 at 14:31 ----------

But, Can you tell apart those Irish phenotypes in most of the UK? Therefore being hald english half scottish is way different than being half italian half finnish, the ethnic mix is only because both countries are not the same (politically) but the people living there are pretty much interchangeable.

yeah like we have these maps on this forum, there are various distances or differences between nations and all British nations, including Irish, seem to cluster close to each other, relatively, so you are quite right- but for the sake of precision you need to maintain this ethnic division. West Germans are like brothers to Dutch, but still mainiatin separate identity, its the same here.

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ZZChristopher Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 337 Senior Member	ps from what I read in fact mixing was not that common as we perceive it, untill 100 years ago or in some communities maybe 50 years ago. Amerika as a complete mish-mash is just quite recent invention. For a long time members of many communities used to stick to their own kind. Scotts lived next door to Germans, but did not mix for a few generations. English stayed with english, Scandinavians were known for staying apart too. Italians were very family oriented and closed community, they at first did not even intermarry with Italians from other parts of Italy, forget foreigners. Irish, Spanish, Polish, Jewish etc thay stayed in own communities for a while too. I was surprised myself reading that, but it sounds even rational when you analyse it. People came from various parts of the world or even Europe, various languages, habits, religions- before you get americanised, it takes a while, then your edge need to soften, openess to come up etc. ---------- Post added 2011-11-02 at 14:28 ---------- Actually Americans traditionally don't mix Scottish and English under British. I do, but i'm one quarter British Isles heritage, so I don't divide that up. An American Scot who knows they're Scottish would never AFAIK call themselves british. That would be rare in any case. I understand, my input was mainly in relation to what other member said and what was misread imo. ---------- Post added 2011-11-02 at 14:31 ---------- But, Can you tell apart those Irish phenotypes in most of the UK? Therefore being hald english half scottish is way different than being half italian half finnish, the ethnic mix is only because both countries are not the same (politically) but the people living there are pretty much interchangeable. yeah like we have these maps on this forum, there are various distances or differences between nations and all British nations, including Irish, seem to cluster close to each other, relatively, so you are quite right- but for the sake of precision you need to maintain this ethnic division. West Germans are like brothers to Dutch, but still mainiatin separate identity, its the same here.
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