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**Qdkczrdi** · 10-03-2011, 03:18 PM

I don't deny that. But that argument literally holds NO water whatsoever in current times. Just because something worked well in the past doesn't mean it can't be terrible in the future. There are thousands of examples where an organization is around and does a whole lot of good for while, and then when you leave it around too long it starts hurting more than it's helping. Unions are a classic case of this. Unions were formed to get good working conditions, and fair wages because the working populace needed some sort of recourse against corporate tyranny. The government listened, legislated, and now those protections are built into our system. Now instead of working to fix unjust practices and create a safe and stable work environment, public unions view the government, the very organization which created and enforces those protections, as an enemy they need to collectively strongarm into giving them more money.

Let's ignore the fact that in Wisconsin the unions had actually agreed to cut their pay as the governor had asked.
Let's also ignore the fact that countless studies show that when you consider salary, benefits, and education level, that union workers are either paid a little bit less or a little bit more than nonunion workers... but the studies agree that they are paid relatively on par.

You talk about how you as the tax payer pays the union's salary. So what? The union worker provides you a service. You should be paying their salary. It doesn't make you any more educated to decide what that salary should be. It's laughable how people have turned unions (and specifically teachers) into the everyday scapegoat. We didn't cause any of the problems in the country, and just because our organization has allowed us not to suffer as much as everybody else, doesn't mean we should be held directly responsible.

Just remember that when everything is doing great and you are getting your 10,000 yearly bonus, the union worker is still getting their cost of living wage increase. Being in a union means you don't get the highs or the lows... of course the affluent republican senators bought out by big sleezy corporations with campaign funding will try to destroy the middle class, but the rest of the public is supposed to unite against them and vote them out for representing the interests of only a few.

It's the ignorance of the general public (that doesn't realize that 21st version of the republican party is serving the interest of VERY FEW PEOPLE) that makes this so frustrating for most intelligent people. Maybe some of the people on this board are rich or as*es, but most intelligent people should see that busting unions is horrible for the poor and working class... including those not in a union.

10-03-2011, 03:18 PM	#26
Qdkczrdi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	I don't deny that. But that argument literally holds NO water whatsoever in current times. Just because something worked well in the past doesn't mean it can't be terrible in the future. There are thousands of examples where an organization is around and does a whole lot of good for while, and then when you leave it around too long it starts hurting more than it's helping. Unions are a classic case of this. Unions were formed to get good working conditions, and fair wages because the working populace needed some sort of recourse against corporate tyranny. The government listened, legislated, and now those protections are built into our system. Now instead of working to fix unjust practices and create a safe and stable work environment, public unions view the government, the very organization which created and enforces those protections, as an enemy they need to collectively strongarm into giving them more money. Let's ignore the fact that in Wisconsin the unions had actually agreed to cut their pay as the governor had asked. Let's also ignore the fact that countless studies show that when you consider salary, benefits, and education level, that union workers are either paid a little bit less or a little bit more than nonunion workers... but the studies agree that they are paid relatively on par. You talk about how you as the tax payer pays the union's salary. So what? The union worker provides you a service. You should be paying their salary. It doesn't make you any more educated to decide what that salary should be. It's laughable how people have turned unions (and specifically teachers) into the everyday scapegoat. We didn't cause any of the problems in the country, and just because our organization has allowed us not to suffer as much as everybody else, doesn't mean we should be held directly responsible. Just remember that when everything is doing great and you are getting your 10,000 yearly bonus, the union worker is still getting their cost of living wage increase. Being in a union means you don't get the highs or the lows... of course the affluent republican senators bought out by big sleezy corporations with campaign funding will try to destroy the middle class, but the rest of the public is supposed to unite against them and vote them out for representing the interests of only a few. It's the ignorance of the general public (that doesn't realize that 21st version of the republican party is serving the interest of VERY FEW PEOPLE) that makes this so frustrating for most intelligent people. Maybe some of the people on this board are rich or as*es, but most intelligent people should see that busting unions is horrible for the poor and working class... including those not in a union.
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