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**xtrudood** · 07-16-2012, 08:54 PM

No brother - my point is that if you think there is Sharia somewhere in the world being beautifully implemented then go there. I will criticise the Taliban all I like and so will others because I would hate to live in a society dominated by their rule - thus similarly if someone supports the Taliban (in terms of their ideology by holding them up as an example) then I will ask why don't you live with them. If people offer a contextualised, nuanced and historical account of the Taliban - I have no problems - but if you hold them up as an example then expect people to respond back.

And by the way the Ikhwanis had it bad because they had an Army that opposed them consistently for many decades.

Don't get me wrong - I see the Taliban as an historical relic, a movement that is pretty much a product of its times and environment - what gets me is when people claim the Taliban are having a righteous Islamic regime when in actual fact its little better than a tribal mafia. The Taliban are just a tribal brigands who tried to make the best of their situation - nothing less nothing more.

They have nothing absolutely nothing to offer to the Ummah - but on the other hand the Ikhwanis do have a vision for the Ummah.

You claim to have read a lot of Taliban related material yet you seem to have no knowledge on the issue.

Read what brother xs11ax wrote. No one here says that how the Taliban ran Afghanistan is what is to be followed since many know that the context of their rule was in a lawless country run by warlords, but many ulama and people know that what their objectives and their stated goals were are to be emulated. The true Taliban have always been low in numbers, ever since they took over in the 90s. It takes time for any plant to bear its fruits. The Taliban came to power in a country that was like the wild west of 19th century USA; they employed the only way possible to get the country under control and take out the major vices, such as drug trade, homosexuality, and fornication. They also targeted things like music and television as was their Islamic duty, but they eventually did become lax on television. They were doing everything right to achieve their goals of being the lone shari'ah based government on earth that did not bow down to foreign pressure nor get its dictates from external powers.

07-16-2012, 08:54 PM	#21
xtrudood Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	No brother - my point is that if you think there is Sharia somewhere in the world being beautifully implemented then go there. I will criticise the Taliban all I like and so will others because I would hate to live in a society dominated by their rule - thus similarly if someone supports the Taliban (in terms of their ideology by holding them up as an example) then I will ask why don't you live with them. If people offer a contextualised, nuanced and historical account of the Taliban - I have no problems - but if you hold them up as an example then expect people to respond back. And by the way the Ikhwanis had it bad because they had an Army that opposed them consistently for many decades. Don't get me wrong - I see the Taliban as an historical relic, a movement that is pretty much a product of its times and environment - what gets me is when people claim the Taliban are having a righteous Islamic regime when in actual fact its little better than a tribal mafia. The Taliban are just a tribal brigands who tried to make the best of their situation - nothing less nothing more. They have nothing absolutely nothing to offer to the Ummah - but on the other hand the Ikhwanis do have a vision for the Ummah. You claim to have read a lot of Taliban related material yet you seem to have no knowledge on the issue. Read what brother xs11ax wrote. No one here says that how the Taliban ran Afghanistan is what is to be followed since many know that the context of their rule was in a lawless country run by warlords, but many ulama and people know that what their objectives and their stated goals were are to be emulated. The true Taliban have always been low in numbers, ever since they took over in the 90s. It takes time for any plant to bear its fruits. The Taliban came to power in a country that was like the wild west of 19th century USA; they employed the only way possible to get the country under control and take out the major vices, such as drug trade, homosexuality, and fornication. They also targeted things like music and television as was their Islamic duty, but they eventually did become lax on television. They were doing everything right to achieve their goals of being the lone shari'ah based government on earth that did not bow down to foreign pressure nor get its dictates from external powers.
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