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**Indidockobeni** · 07-16-2012, 10:41 PM

You are using the historical framework of modernity...ideas of progress and development...we first have a primitive society and things progress towards democracy etc. all be it you are saying that it needs to start organically and internally not from outside.

Saudi Arabia was rule by the Ottomons it was not a chaotic place. The Saudis worship Oil/Fire, they think this is the source of their power. They do not accept that The Knower, The Knowledge and The Known are One.

Yes, I am saying that societies cannot be forced to become this or that government if there is no foundation for that sort of government.

Saudi Arabia was a chaotic place. The Brits were able to use this chaos for their benefit to oust an already weakened Ottoman Empire. It was not the Arabs who destroyed the Ottoman Empire, it was the Empire itself. It had legalized so many things that have no part in Islam before it even got to its pathetic state in the 1900s.

There was rampant tribalism in Arabia, with a lot of interfighting going on. King Abdulaziz ibn Saud

united these tribes to form the current Saudi state.

Also, it is completely out of order to say that the Saudis "worship Oil/Fire". This is an accusation of outright kufr over all Saudis. It may be the case for some in the monarchy, but to say that the Saudis do it is completely unwarranted.

07-16-2012, 10:41 PM	#33
Indidockobeni Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	You are using the historical framework of modernity...ideas of progress and development...we first have a primitive society and things progress towards democracy etc. all be it you are saying that it needs to start organically and internally not from outside. Saudi Arabia was rule by the Ottomons it was not a chaotic place. The Saudis worship Oil/Fire, they think this is the source of their power. They do not accept that The Knower, The Knowledge and The Known are One. Yes, I am saying that societies cannot be forced to become this or that government if there is no foundation for that sort of government. Saudi Arabia was a chaotic place. The Brits were able to use this chaos for their benefit to oust an already weakened Ottoman Empire. It was not the Arabs who destroyed the Ottoman Empire, it was the Empire itself. It had legalized so many things that have no part in Islam before it even got to its pathetic state in the 1900s. There was rampant tribalism in Arabia, with a lot of interfighting going on. King Abdulaziz ibn Saud united these tribes to form the current Saudi state. Also, it is completely out of order to say that the Saudis "worship Oil/Fire". This is an accusation of outright kufr over all Saudis. It may be the case for some in the monarchy, but to say that the Saudis do it is completely unwarranted.
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