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**QQQQQ-Trek** · 07-16-2012, 11:00 PM

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Yes, I am saying that societies cannot be forced to become this or that government if there is no foundation for that sort of government. Yes, but it is not progress like you are making it sound. Monarchy is the best and natural form of government...it does not get better with democracy.

Saudi Arabia was a chaotic place. The Brits were able to use this chaos for their benefit to oust an already weakened Ottoman Empire. It was not the Arabs who destroyed the Ottoman Empire, it was the Empire itself. It had legalized so many things that have no part in Islam before it even got to its pathetic state in the 1900s.There was rampant tribalism in Arabia, with a lot of interfighting going on. King Abdulaziz ibn Saud

united these tribes to form the current Saudi state. No Saudi and the Ikhwan helped by the British helped to splinter darul Islam and they killed Muslims by saying they are kafirun.

Also, it is completely out of order to say that the Saudis "worship Oil/Fire". This is an accusation of outright kufr over all Saudis. It may be the case for some in the monarchy, but to say that the Saudis do it is completely unwarranted. I am not saying all Saudis, I am saying the society is based on worship of Oil/Fire as the source of their power. They talk about Tawheed but are seeing power as coming from sources other than Allah

Many of us Muslims are infected with this because of the modern education we have received and this is what science teaches us.

07-16-2012, 11:00 PM	#35
QQQQQ-Trek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 659 Senior Member	[QUOTE=abdulwahhab;794115] Yes, I am saying that societies cannot be forced to become this or that government if there is no foundation for that sort of government. Yes, but it is not progress like you are making it sound. Monarchy is the best and natural form of government...it does not get better with democracy. Saudi Arabia was a chaotic place. The Brits were able to use this chaos for their benefit to oust an already weakened Ottoman Empire. It was not the Arabs who destroyed the Ottoman Empire, it was the Empire itself. It had legalized so many things that have no part in Islam before it even got to its pathetic state in the 1900s.There was rampant tribalism in Arabia, with a lot of interfighting going on. King Abdulaziz ibn Saud united these tribes to form the current Saudi state. No Saudi and the Ikhwan helped by the British helped to splinter darul Islam and they killed Muslims by saying they are kafirun. Also, it is completely out of order to say that the Saudis "worship Oil/Fire". This is an accusation of outright kufr over all Saudis. It may be the case for some in the monarchy, but to say that the Saudis do it is completely unwarranted. I am not saying all Saudis, I am saying the society is based on worship of Oil/Fire as the source of their power. They talk about Tawheed but are seeing power as coming from sources other than Allah Many of us Muslims are infected with this because of the modern education we have received and this is what science teaches us.
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