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**Fetowip** · 07-16-2012, 11:37 PM

Yes, but it is not progress like you are making it sound. Monarchy is the best and natural form of government...it does not get better with democracy.

I did not say progress. I said evolution. Evolution, as in biology, is purposeless and the next stage may be better or worse than the preceding stage.

No Saudi and the Ikhwan helped by the British helped to splinter darul Islam and they killed Muslims by saying they are kafirun. The Arabs should not have fought against the Ottomans but Ottomans had been their own downfall. Read about the Tanzimat reforms of the Ottomans. You'll be shocked.

I am not saying all Saudis, I am saying the society is based on worship of Oil/Fire as the source of their power. They talk about Tawheed but are seeing power as coming from sources other than Allah

Many of us Muslims are infected with this because of the modern education we have received and this is what science teaches us. This is also a false allegation. Many scholars in Saudia are pious ulama who cannot openly criticize the government and don't hold the beliefs that you're ascribing to them. And also, it is extremely out of order to suggest that they "worship" Oil/Fire. Would it be fair to say that all Muslims "worship" money and wealth?

It is not about worshiping, it is about prioritizing. A lot of Muslims have their priorities wrong, whether they are Arabs, Desis, Africans, Southeast Asians, Europeans, etc.

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Fetowip Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 548 Senior Member	Yes, but it is not progress like you are making it sound. Monarchy is the best and natural form of government...it does not get better with democracy. I did not say progress. I said evolution. Evolution, as in biology, is purposeless and the next stage may be better or worse than the preceding stage. No Saudi and the Ikhwan helped by the British helped to splinter darul Islam and they killed Muslims by saying they are kafirun. The Arabs should not have fought against the Ottomans but Ottomans had been their own downfall. Read about the Tanzimat reforms of the Ottomans. You'll be shocked. I am not saying all Saudis, I am saying the society is based on worship of Oil/Fire as the source of their power. They talk about Tawheed but are seeing power as coming from sources other than Allah Many of us Muslims are infected with this because of the modern education we have received and this is what science teaches us. This is also a false allegation. Many scholars in Saudia are pious ulama who cannot openly criticize the government and don't hold the beliefs that you're ascribing to them. And also, it is extremely out of order to suggest that they "worship" Oil/Fire. Would it be fair to say that all Muslims "worship" money and wealth? It is not about worshiping, it is about prioritizing. A lot of Muslims have their priorities wrong, whether they are Arabs, Desis, Africans, Southeast Asians, Europeans, etc.
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