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**GrolmangHat27** · 07-16-2012, 11:42 PM

I agree with this sober analysis -we should treat the Taliban as a peculiar tribalistic movement in the context of Afghan politics. BUT they are not an example to be followed because they cannot build a country, they can only at best quell tribal conflicts and provide enough for a very basic feudalistic, warlord society. Their methodology has nothing to offer to a country like Egypt or Turkey. They are best seen as a movement of tribal vigilantism that is reacting to a harsh and unforgiving environment.

The Taliban do not have a global message for the Ummah - they should be just seen as a sad and tragic reaction to the brutal social context of Afghanistan - but that does not mean they are the Islamic ideal.

By all means provide contextualised, nuanced and historical analyses of the Taliban just don't hold them up as anything more than tribal vigilantes.

Brother, haven't you read "...the last part of this ummah (nation) will not be rectified, except by that which its first part was rectified by."? The seerah of the prophet SAW, the stories of the sahaba RA are all about sacrifice, hardships & 'going without'. I suggest you swat up. Our beloved prophet SAW & the first generation lived in abject poverty for many years & soon thereafter followed on-going qital. And we already know that the path back to Islam & ALLAH is to follow down the same path that was trod by the first of us. There is no other road back.

"...the last part of this ummah (nation) will not be rectified, except by that which its first part was rectified by."

07-16-2012, 11:42 PM	#38
GrolmangHat27 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	I agree with this sober analysis -we should treat the Taliban as a peculiar tribalistic movement in the context of Afghan politics. BUT they are not an example to be followed because they cannot build a country, they can only at best quell tribal conflicts and provide enough for a very basic feudalistic, warlord society. Their methodology has nothing to offer to a country like Egypt or Turkey. They are best seen as a movement of tribal vigilantism that is reacting to a harsh and unforgiving environment. The Taliban do not have a global message for the Ummah - they should be just seen as a sad and tragic reaction to the brutal social context of Afghanistan - but that does not mean they are the Islamic ideal. By all means provide contextualised, nuanced and historical analyses of the Taliban just don't hold them up as anything more than tribal vigilantes. Brother, haven't you read "...the last part of this ummah (nation) will not be rectified, except by that which its first part was rectified by."? The seerah of the prophet SAW, the stories of the sahaba RA are all about sacrifice, hardships & 'going without'. I suggest you swat up. Our beloved prophet SAW & the first generation lived in abject poverty for many years & soon thereafter followed on-going qital. And we already know that the path back to Islam & ALLAH is to follow down the same path that was trod by the first of us. There is no other road back. "...the last part of this ummah (nation) will not be rectified, except by that which its first part was rectified by."
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