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**searkibia** · 05-03-2012, 11:24 AM

You're missing the point. If there are predators walking around, why would you carry a steak on you? That is why in basically all the madhahib, the level of fitna directly correlates with how covered a woman should be or if she should be allowed to leave the house at all. The primary blame of course lies with those who would rape and attack women, but if a woman knows that if her showing her face or wearing jeans will attract unwanted attention, should she not be more covered? In the Shafi'i madhhab, according to some scholars, it becomes obligatory on beautiful women to wear niqab because they're beautiful. Is it their "fault" that they're beautiful? Of course not. But if a woman is beautiful, she will attract unwanted attention, from both those people who aren't obsessed with sex and those who are, even if she is wearing what would be considered proper hijab but the rules change when there is fitnah around and that "proper" hijab would not be proper because of the fitnah.

And are you seriously trying to compare loose garments with jeans? Jeans are really form fitting. Some ulama even say that men shouldn't wear jeans and tight pants without wearing a long shirt over it so what makes you think it is in any way permissible for women to wear them in public?

Brother, i know men can be attracted by a tiny bit and I know we are all full of testosterone. My point was not that it is OK to allow women to walk around how they like, just as men are not either. My point was to the brother who was saying the blame would "partly" fall on the sister who was showing her FACE. I understand men can be mesmerised by beautiful women and it is the biggest weakness of men but I don't think women are to blame that was my point.

I never compared loose garments with jeans, I mentioned jeans as jeans are wrong for women (and men) to wear on there own (without a covering over it). And a lot of sisters wear jeans without a covering over it with a headscarf and I was saying some scholars have blamed these sisters for allowing a rape to happen because they were wearing jeans.That was my point.

Of course I know jeans are not a loose garment.

05-03-2012, 11:24 AM	#12
searkibia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	You're missing the point. If there are predators walking around, why would you carry a steak on you? That is why in basically all the madhahib, the level of fitna directly correlates with how covered a woman should be or if she should be allowed to leave the house at all. The primary blame of course lies with those who would rape and attack women, but if a woman knows that if her showing her face or wearing jeans will attract unwanted attention, should she not be more covered? In the Shafi'i madhhab, according to some scholars, it becomes obligatory on beautiful women to wear niqab because they're beautiful. Is it their "fault" that they're beautiful? Of course not. But if a woman is beautiful, she will attract unwanted attention, from both those people who aren't obsessed with sex and those who are, even if she is wearing what would be considered proper hijab but the rules change when there is fitnah around and that "proper" hijab would not be proper because of the fitnah. And are you seriously trying to compare loose garments with jeans? Jeans are really form fitting. Some ulama even say that men shouldn't wear jeans and tight pants without wearing a long shirt over it so what makes you think it is in any way permissible for women to wear them in public? Brother, i know men can be attracted by a tiny bit and I know we are all full of testosterone. My point was not that it is OK to allow women to walk around how they like, just as men are not either. My point was to the brother who was saying the blame would "partly" fall on the sister who was showing her FACE. I understand men can be mesmerised by beautiful women and it is the biggest weakness of men but I don't think women are to blame that was my point. I never compared loose garments with jeans, I mentioned jeans as jeans are wrong for women (and men) to wear on there own (without a covering over it). And a lot of sisters wear jeans without a covering over it with a headscarf and I was saying some scholars have blamed these sisters for allowing a rape to happen because they were wearing jeans.That was my point. Of course I know jeans are not a loose garment.
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