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**Adimonnna** · 08-12-2012, 06:34 PM

Yes a good question. All these national anthems and flags are invented by someone...sometimes they were paid to invent one. Why would any human being who knows this give respect to something invented like that?

Example:
I create a flag,and some music, I say it is part of our nation, others in government think it is a good idea, they adopt it and play the music and display it everywhere and they educate everyone to also show respect to these symbols. It is collective delusion.

The idea of a nation in modern nation-states was completely invented. People in power invented them, they invented shared histories and traditions and they use the education system, mass media like newspapers, television etc. to create this collective myth of a unified and common 'national culture'. Prior to the nation state people were highly heterogeneous speaking very different dialects of the same language sometimes living only a few miles apart from each other. People travelling to a village 10 miles away may have felt like they were in a foreign land. All of this diversity had to be reduced in order for that national culture with a central government to form...the state education system and technology helped to create this homogeneity in national cultures. All of it is based on myths. In political geography they study which part of a country is the dominant part projecting its culture as the norm nationally. In Britain it is the South East, London and home counties area. The people who live here and their culture is projected across the whole nation via technology and education to make it uniform. In actual fact people in the north are different, as they are in other parts but this is prevented from expression by the dominant power. This is why Nationalism and giving too much emphasis to the nation is foolishness. However it is good to support the nation in its good things that it does, but to criticise it publicly of the bad things that it does.

08-12-2012, 06:34 PM	#6
Adimonnna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Yes a good question. All these national anthems and flags are invented by someone...sometimes they were paid to invent one. Why would any human being who knows this give respect to something invented like that? Example: I create a flag,and some music, I say it is part of our nation, others in government think it is a good idea, they adopt it and play the music and display it everywhere and they educate everyone to also show respect to these symbols. It is collective delusion. The idea of a nation in modern nation-states was completely invented. People in power invented them, they invented shared histories and traditions and they use the education system, mass media like newspapers, television etc. to create this collective myth of a unified and common 'national culture'. Prior to the nation state people were highly heterogeneous speaking very different dialects of the same language sometimes living only a few miles apart from each other. People travelling to a village 10 miles away may have felt like they were in a foreign land. All of this diversity had to be reduced in order for that national culture with a central government to form...the state education system and technology helped to create this homogeneity in national cultures. All of it is based on myths. In political geography they study which part of a country is the dominant part projecting its culture as the norm nationally. In Britain it is the South East, London and home counties area. The people who live here and their culture is projected across the whole nation via technology and education to make it uniform. In actual fact people in the north are different, as they are in other parts but this is prevented from expression by the dominant power. This is why Nationalism and giving too much emphasis to the nation is foolishness. However it is good to support the nation in its good things that it does, but to criticise it publicly of the bad things that it does.
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