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Dear Mods, is there a reason why I get a warning for talking about banned groups and this guy doesnt?
Anyway lal masjid had Uzbek militants didnt they? Not in hiding, since ISI knew, regardless they had no business there but the army didnt say anything until things got serious n and rest is history. If Musharraf wanted to demolish the masjid what was MMA doing? Maulana fazl ur rehman was in govt too. Musharraf used lalmasjid to clamp down on madrassahs and takfiris used it to go public with their war. Everyones at fault and im not going to close my eyes and blame one party esp since Musharraf isnt even around anymore.

you keep bringing lal masjid. when your claims are refuted you say musharraf isnt here. then you bring lal masjid back into the discussion.
no lal masjid had no foreign militants. it is not their style of fighting nor is their any evidence from trustworthy sources. if you read my article, lal masjid talibaat gave good evidence to refute that.
MMA was in london no? and how is ml.fazl ur rehman related to the mufti rafi camp? what does any of this got to do with situation at hand where we are discussing how TTP are at fault not lal masjid.

you are wrong as musharraf used the 2003 assassination attempts to clamp down on madrassahs not lal masjid and the mujahideen ofcourse were betrayed and had a right to strike back since musharraf and AQ had a truce between 2001 and 2003.

And Dont tell me who i should support and who i shouldnt, there is no ur either with us or against us, because i will definitely never support anyone who fancy making mass takfir and then killing anyone and everyone in the way, and have the audacity to brush off collateral as 'its okay theyre shaheed'.

do you challenge the audacity of previous mufti e azam mufti shafi (rh) too who said in his maqalaat the same thing about killing muslim non-combatants when they are indistinguishable or inseparable from kuffar?
500 muftis signed on the fatwa against pak army. are they all takfiris because you do not have sufficient knowledge of fiqh of J!had? dr. israr, qazi hussain ahmad all agreed with the kufr of pakistan army for betraying mujahideen (on both sides of durand line) and allying with US. yet they didnt sign it.
are dr. israr and qazi hussein ahmad all takfiris?

dont throw that word around.

There are plenty of scholars who call them a fitnah, last years karachi ijtima denounced them, my mamu went and he told me himself.

was that a isi funded difa e pakistan ijtema by any chance? are any of these scholars of the same calibre and prestige as sheikh ul hadith mufti shamzai (rh)?
then again mufti taqi refused to give a fatwa against suicide bombings. mufti rafi very pragmatically did not say ttp's name when speaking about suicide bombing. people not associated with isi are afraid for their lives. those who have spoken are killed.

then again let me ask:
- is there any written fatwa against ttp by name? show it.make sure its not by the isi funded difa people.
- do those people not make takfir of army for allying with kuffar and betraying mujahideen? what is their daleel? please state it.
- what is their ruling on those who side with the kuffar?

answers to these questions should make things clear.

LeJ kill balochis do they not? Quetta is in baloch right? Interestingly Hazaras are also routinely killed by BLA terrorists for supporting Pakistan against an independent Balochistan. I see your callousness towards the hazaras.

why bring LeJ when we are discussuing TTP? and how do you know why hazaras are killed and who kills them?
do you even know why SSp and LeJ separated? why are those hazaras always coming from iran? why does the govt give large compensations to shias but not to sunnis killed by shias? do you know LeJ is a counter to shia terrorism as well? have you seen this?
of course like the SSp i do not believe in killing shia non-combatants. but combatants and spies? absolutely. the entire SSP leadership has been eliminated. does that ring a bell?

If you want evidence about the bugti marri etc sardars 'seeking asylum' in europe, u should check newspapers, not waste other peoples time.

ah newspapers.
tell me are they your only source of information?
do you have secondary or ground sources to verify anything?

does somebody seeking asylum in sweden means swedish govt is backing the BLA? seriously?
how does that justify killing innocent balochis?
obviously the newspapers would side with ISPR. give me a non-secular source that shows that baloch separation movement is funded by outside and a fatwa that states their demands are illegimiate and they should be killed in a heinous fashion by army.