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**stunnyravytal** · 02-29-2012, 03:38 PM

I hope you will be fine insha'Allah brother. As a brother earlier pointed out that the Christians have been dealing with this issue of Atheism since long. We have been lucky in some way. The Galileo vs Church affair which may be taken as the beginning point of "enlightenment" vs Christianity rumble and we Muslims never had such an issue.It only became our issue after the advent of the militant atheism which coupled by the after effects of 9/11 and free media is causing the harm.

I feel that the Christians are more prepared/backed than us on this issue. Currently they have some very fine philosophers debating the atheists. Dr William lane Craig is serving as their quarter back and he is doing his job very well. Then they have Alvin Platinga and John lennox as well. All of them happen to be academic philosophers. Then on the scientific front they have guys like Michael behe and Stephen C Mayers etc.

We are way behind them. Brother Hamza despite his very great efforts and sincerity for which Allah may reward him, does not have a pure scientific or philosophical background and i think that he is the only public speaker about Atheism that we have right now.I think that more and more Muslim academics need to come out in this field.

Brian Greene and Jim Gates are really humble guys and so is Lee smolin. They have kept away from falling to the audacious sort of "Richard Dawkinism". The best man to speak on science and Atheism will be Dr David Berlinski. His book " The Devil's delusion : Atheism and its scientific pretensions" is a must read. He really packs a punch in almost every line of the book. Here is he being interviewed about the book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxUwaq00Rc

Insha'Allah brother i intend to write in details (Though i think that MCB got tripped came out only due to Kasar Nafsi) about the ontological argument and its very versions. The main thing which need to be comprehended regarding this specific version of ontological argument i have written is the concept of possible worlds which has to do with the modal logic.Kurt Godel , the maths freak , came up with a very interesting mathematical version of the same argument. Insha'Allah in a week i shall expand my post regarding the ontological argument and write something about its non-modal forms as well.

I am charmed again - if that was needed at all.
LoonWatch has been taking care of a very badly felt need and now this initiative to cover the scientific front should bring in good results, IA. May Allah(SWT) accept these efforts, render His help and make it a source of good in this world and Forgiveness in the hereafter. Ameen.
Wassalam

PS: About MCB tripping angle - for some years I have come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that dabbling in philosophical matters does not have returns proportional to effort. Thus I usually try to wiggle my way out of matters involving elements of philosophy. Interestingly I share office with a person who is also a philosopher of science, having published a book also, but I managed to get the deal with him in which we shall not dwell upon matters philosophical.

02-29-2012, 03:38 PM	#32
stunnyravytal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 592 Senior Member	I hope you will be fine insha'Allah brother. As a brother earlier pointed out that the Christians have been dealing with this issue of Atheism since long. We have been lucky in some way. The Galileo vs Church affair which may be taken as the beginning point of "enlightenment" vs Christianity rumble and we Muslims never had such an issue.It only became our issue after the advent of the militant atheism which coupled by the after effects of 9/11 and free media is causing the harm. I feel that the Christians are more prepared/backed than us on this issue. Currently they have some very fine philosophers debating the atheists. Dr William lane Craig is serving as their quarter back and he is doing his job very well. Then they have Alvin Platinga and John lennox as well. All of them happen to be academic philosophers. Then on the scientific front they have guys like Michael behe and Stephen C Mayers etc. We are way behind them. Brother Hamza despite his very great efforts and sincerity for which Allah may reward him, does not have a pure scientific or philosophical background and i think that he is the only public speaker about Atheism that we have right now.I think that more and more Muslim academics need to come out in this field. Brian Greene and Jim Gates are really humble guys and so is Lee smolin. They have kept away from falling to the audacious sort of "Richard Dawkinism". The best man to speak on science and Atheism will be Dr David Berlinski. His book " The Devil's delusion : Atheism and its scientific pretensions" is a must read. He really packs a punch in almost every line of the book. Here is he being interviewed about the book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyxUwaq00Rc Insha'Allah brother i intend to write in details (Though i think that MCB got tripped came out only due to Kasar Nafsi) about the ontological argument and its very versions. The main thing which need to be comprehended regarding this specific version of ontological argument i have written is the concept of possible worlds which has to do with the modal logic.Kurt Godel , the maths freak , came up with a very interesting mathematical version of the same argument. Insha'Allah in a week i shall expand my post regarding the ontological argument and write something about its non-modal forms as well. I am charmed again - if that was needed at all. LoonWatch has been taking care of a very badly felt need and now this initiative to cover the scientific front should bring in good results, IA. May Allah(SWT) accept these efforts, render His help and make it a source of good in this world and Forgiveness in the hereafter. Ameen. Wassalam PS: About MCB tripping angle - for some years I have come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that dabbling in philosophical matters does not have returns proportional to effort. Thus I usually try to wiggle my way out of matters involving elements of philosophy. Interestingly I share office with a person who is also a philosopher of science, having published a book also, but I managed to get the deal with him in which we shall not dwell upon matters philosophical.
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