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**Percocetti** · 09-04-2011, 06:50 PM

Here we go again; Anything wrong about Saudi Arabia is Iranian propagandae, yea sure

Both Iran and Saudis hate each other. Iran may very well have a secret relationship with israel but that doesnt change teh fact that

1) Saudis indirectly supported Israel against hezbollah
They supported indirectly the Gaza blockade simply because they didnt like Hamas

Somehow their radars were switched off when the raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor was done in 1981 by Israel

As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel, in recent years, Israel and Saudis have had near identical interests:

Dislike for Hamas and Hezbollah

Love for Hosni Mubarak (Both Saudis and Israelis wanted him to remain)

Wanting Saddam to be toppled

Its funny how Saudi Shuyookh were shooting Fatawa against protests when it was Hosni's turn but when it came to Gaddafi suddenly the Shuyookh kept quiet

Arab people protesting are evil, but NATO/US bombing Iraq and Libya is legitimate.

The different opinions on Qadafi who was about to wipe his people out by planes bombing them is an issue that is up for discussion among all Muslims, not Saudis alone. The website he posted has a clear pro-Iran anti Saudi bias which is actually bias against Sunnis. Saudis are human and not above criticism, however, using political propaganda and holding political positions only because of sectarian reasons, this is far from constructive criticism. Its more of anti Sunni bias in reality (not anti Saudi), but giving it a political cover to make it more marketable.

Its also why I said they'd mention "half truths" for propaganda purposes.

"Game Theory" in many posts has a clear bias and defensiveness for the Rafidhi Shias of Iran, as if Iran is to be glorified, and the website he posted does as well, with articles victimizing Iran, instead of mentioning its great support of the criminal flat out anti Islam government in Syria.

Its not really about Saudi vs Iran in Iranian eyes, its Sunni/Salafi (they'd use the term "wahabi") vs Shia, period. And of course graveworshippers are always happy to join. As many Sufis have in Egypt, such as the Azmi Tariqa which is basically an iranian wing in Egypt.

Using expressions like you did "As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel", clearly shows obvious bias. Whenever you see bias like this, look for sectarian reasons behind it, and dont expect real political analysis. Thats why they always mention "scholars" Ulama.

If criticism of any Muslims is honest, constructive, and with good intentions and wanting good for the Muslims, no one can be against this, and no one is above constructive criticism.

However, its clearly not about constructive, and only a game of dirty politics with sectarian issues in the background, and as usual, graveworshippers are always happy to join Iran, because they share a lot with them. This is also why they arent discussing politics as much as they are the ulama/scholars. Politics is just a tool.

You dont see them criticizing Hasan Nasrallah for announcing being an agent, working directly for Iran, in his words. This following video, he should go to court for, for being a traitor, after the fall of the Syrian regime insha'Allah. As his statements are too ugly to ignore (let alone other ones in which he speaks with disrespect about the companions of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). This is the shorter version of the video with English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXUxGjhHN0

09-04-2011, 06:50 PM	#4
Percocetti Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	Here we go again; Anything wrong about Saudi Arabia is Iranian propagandae, yea sure Both Iran and Saudis hate each other. Iran may very well have a secret relationship with israel but that doesnt change teh fact that 1) Saudis indirectly supported Israel against hezbollah They supported indirectly the Gaza blockade simply because they didnt like Hamas Somehow their radars were switched off when the raid on an Iraqi nuclear reactor was done in 1981 by Israel As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel, in recent years, Israel and Saudis have had near identical interests: Dislike for Hamas and Hezbollah Love for Hosni Mubarak (Both Saudis and Israelis wanted him to remain) Wanting Saddam to be toppled Its funny how Saudi Shuyookh were shooting Fatawa against protests when it was Hosni's turn but when it came to Gaddafi suddenly the Shuyookh kept quiet Arab people protesting are evil, but NATO/US bombing Iraq and Libya is legitimate. The different opinions on Qadafi who was about to wipe his people out by planes bombing them is an issue that is up for discussion among all Muslims, not Saudis alone. The website he posted has a clear pro-Iran anti Saudi bias which is actually bias against Sunnis. Saudis are human and not above criticism, however, using political propaganda and holding political positions only because of sectarian reasons, this is far from constructive criticism. Its more of anti Sunni bias in reality (not anti Saudi), but giving it a political cover to make it more marketable. Its also why I said they'd mention "half truths" for propaganda purposes. "Game Theory" in many posts has a clear bias and defensiveness for the Rafidhi Shias of Iran, as if Iran is to be glorified, and the website he posted does as well, with articles victimizing Iran, instead of mentioning its great support of the criminal flat out anti Islam government in Syria. Its not really about Saudi vs Iran in Iranian eyes, its Sunni/Salafi (they'd use the term "wahabi") vs Shia, period. And of course graveworshippers are always happy to join. As many Sufis have in Egypt, such as the Azmi Tariqa which is basically an iranian wing in Egypt. Using expressions like you did "As much as Saudis claim they hate Israel", clearly shows obvious bias. Whenever you see bias like this, look for sectarian reasons behind it, and dont expect real political analysis. Thats why they always mention "scholars" Ulama. If criticism of any Muslims is honest, constructive, and with good intentions and wanting good for the Muslims, no one can be against this, and no one is above constructive criticism. However, its clearly not about constructive, and only a game of dirty politics with sectarian issues in the background, and as usual, graveworshippers are always happy to join Iran, because they share a lot with them. This is also why they arent discussing politics as much as they are the ulama/scholars. Politics is just a tool. You dont see them criticizing Hasan Nasrallah for announcing being an agent, working directly for Iran, in his words. This following video, he should go to court for, for being a traitor, after the fall of the Syrian regime insha'Allah. As his statements are too ugly to ignore (let alone other ones in which he speaks with disrespect about the companions of prophet Muhammad peace be upon him). This is the shorter version of the video with English subtitles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZXUxGjhHN0
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