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**arraxylap** · 04-11-2012, 01:28 AM

Brothers Sulaiman and Superman/Overman

You should really try reading Fountain Magazine you may find it enlightening http://www.fountainmagazine.com/

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cannot these hadeeth be said to apply to various useful sciences as well as other valuable ilm?

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said:

"The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim."

(Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74) - is Islamic Ilm specified - no it obviously means beneficial knowledge in general yes?

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws):

“One who treads a path in search of knowledge has his path to Paradise made easy by God…”

(Riyadh us-Saleheen, 245) - this doesn't specify just Islamic learning - it implies other useful learning too - for example medical learning which is reliant upon scientific research, yes?

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said:

"If anyone travels on a road in search of knowledge, God will cause him to travel on one of the roads of Paradise. The angels will lower their wings in their great pleasure with one who seeks knowledge. The inhabitants of the heavens and the Earth and (even) the fish in the deep waters will ask forgiveness for the learned man.

The superiority of the learned over the devout is like that of the moon, on the night when it is full, over the rest of the stars.

The learned are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave (no monetary inheritance), they leave only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion.

(Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1631) - this hadith is obviously primarily about Islamic Ilm, but does it deny that other useful/valuable knowledge is excluded?

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said:

"Allah, His angels and all those in Heavens and on Earth, even ants in their hills and fish in the water, call down blessings on those who instruct others in beneficial knowledge."

(Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 422) does this beneficial knowledge not include things like medicine etc which rely upon scientific research to advance?

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said:

"Acquire knowledge and impart it to the people."

(Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 107) - science is just one of the tools that can be used to acquire knowledge about the world around us.

I think I might be wasting my time here. You don't seem to understand what I have been saying about the metaphysical foundations of science. It seems like you have this idea about 'science' that people get from popular culture, about it just being an innocuous way of finding out about the world, something harmless that benefits humanity. It isn't. You are too fixated on the supposed benefits of industrial scale science, like most muslims you're blinded by the prosperity and gadgets of the westerners. No offence.

We'll never 'beat' the west by adopting their forms, we would just become a cheap imitation of Europeans, like the turks have tried to be and how the people from Dubai have become.

Look at the afghans, for the most part they are the least westernised and least modernised of the ummah. They still hold fast to the religious traditions, and they are beating a superpower. If only muslims could behave like that, rejecting the wearing of western clothing and everything foreign, we wouldnt need nuclear bombs or aircraft carriers.

Anyway as I said before, the west as it is now, is doomed. We just need to wait it out.

04-11-2012, 01:28 AM	#37
arraxylap Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	Brothers Sulaiman and Superman/Overman You should really try reading Fountain Magazine you may find it enlightening http://www.fountainmagazine.com/ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __ cannot these hadeeth be said to apply to various useful sciences as well as other valuable ilm? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." (Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74) - is Islamic Ilm specified - no it obviously means beneficial knowledge in general yes? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws): “One who treads a path in search of knowledge has his path to Paradise made easy by God…” (Riyadh us-Saleheen, 245) - this doesn't specify just Islamic learning - it implies other useful learning too - for example medical learning which is reliant upon scientific research, yes? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "If anyone travels on a road in search of knowledge, God will cause him to travel on one of the roads of Paradise. The angels will lower their wings in their great pleasure with one who seeks knowledge. The inhabitants of the heavens and the Earth and (even) the fish in the deep waters will ask forgiveness for the learned man. The superiority of the learned over the devout is like that of the moon, on the night when it is full, over the rest of the stars. The learned are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave (no monetary inheritance), they leave only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion. (Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1631) - this hadith is obviously primarily about Islamic Ilm, but does it deny that other useful/valuable knowledge is excluded? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "Allah, His angels and all those in Heavens and on Earth, even ants in their hills and fish in the water, call down blessings on those who instruct others in beneficial knowledge." (Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 422) does this beneficial knowledge not include things like medicine etc which rely upon scientific research to advance? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "Acquire knowledge and impart it to the people." (Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 107) - science is just one of the tools that can be used to acquire knowledge about the world around us. I think I might be wasting my time here. You don't seem to understand what I have been saying about the metaphysical foundations of science. It seems like you have this idea about 'science' that people get from popular culture, about it just being an innocuous way of finding out about the world, something harmless that benefits humanity. It isn't. You are too fixated on the supposed benefits of industrial scale science, like most muslims you're blinded by the prosperity and gadgets of the westerners. No offence. We'll never 'beat' the west by adopting their forms, we would just become a cheap imitation of Europeans, like the turks have tried to be and how the people from Dubai have become. Look at the afghans, for the most part they are the least westernised and least modernised of the ummah. They still hold fast to the religious traditions, and they are beating a superpower. If only muslims could behave like that, rejecting the wearing of western clothing and everything foreign, we wouldnt need nuclear bombs or aircraft carriers. Anyway as I said before, the west as it is now, is doomed. We just need to wait it out.
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