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The Sahabah didn't have any upper hand in technology yet they were given honor and victory over those who had power and technology (in their time).

I don't mean to say that technology is not to be used at all nor is it completely useless. It's just that it wasn't the main cause of honor and dominance of Islam.

Editor of a very well known Urdu monthly from a Madarsa wrote that science is useless because in Spain Muslims were very well equipped with science and technology but they were defeated.

An empirical evidence which is difficult to deny. But is is facile. Since I do not know the nitty-gritty of Spanish episode I' can not make general statement but one event can be analyzed. The reduction of the cite state of Granada by Ferdinand and Islabella to ashes took place because they could not workout a self-sustaining system. Now that is a scientific problem. You got reduced because you could not manage a scientific practical problem.

And it is not the right thing to say that Companions(RA)'s life was devoid of science and technology. Digging of a ditch is a massive technological innovation (forget the technicalities of digging and focus on the concept). And from early battle maneuvers there are examples of armoured vehicle as well as big guns - catapult is that. Pollination of dates is a scientific process and it is finally approved by beloved Prophet(PBUH).

Brother,
You may have misunderstood the intent of my last post, which was using the material things of this world with the hands but keeping their greatness out of the heart (by not completely relying on them, especially when they contradict the orders and system of Allah). There always seems to be confusion when this issue comes up.

Akhi when we talk about using science and technology we do not have the least inclination of transferring our reliance on God to reliance on means.

for the mutual understanding of certain things amongst ourselves...

Yes Maripat, maahf. : )

It is perfectly alright if some allied ideas get sorted out in a thread. Of course it is worrisome if the main aim of the thread gets washed out by the distractions. I do not think that has taken place here.

I also have some empathy with the point that is bother brother Superman (sorry I can not get the German spelling). In Urdu we say that a man who has burned his lips by hot milk will blow on whey to cool it before his sips it. The calamity unleashed by materialistic inclination will make any sensitive person jittery. Just look at the consequences - they are so horrifying that do not even have courage to look at them. But honestly science story is just like the knife story. Both cutting vegetables and stabbing are possible with it. And I have come to realize that even the emotional, philosophical, spiritual issues related to science and technology can be sorted out. If brother Superman is still not convinced then he can open another thread and we can have a go at this point in that thread.

I think I might be wasting my time here.

Why do you say that?
Don't we value your words?
Aren't we your brothers in Deen?
Wassalam