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**UltraSearchs** · 08-04-2012, 04:08 AM

I just looked up the commentaries of both these ayat but could not find the statement. Are you sure these are the correct verses?

Thank you for posting. I was called away on business all morning.

I am still in surah 2 in my reading. Later today, insh'Allah, I will look up the exact page number from the pdf English version of maariful where it states this point.

Thanks for posting the excerpt in your last post. I knew I remembered reading it somewhere.

Bro as, I looked in ma'ariful Qur'an for the verses I posted and just like you, I couldn't find what I was looking for lol. But to add to what PouringRain posted, here's Tafsir Uthmani's commentary of verse 18 in Surah Ma'idah:

The Jewish and Christian claim of being the son of Allah: they probably call themselves sons, i.e. children of Allah because in their Bible Allah referred to Isra'il (Ya'qub 'alaihis salam) as His firstborn son and Himself as his father. On the other hand, the Christians believe that Isa 'alaihis salam is the son of Allah. Due to their [Jews] being the progeny of Isra'il and the Christians being the followers of Isa 'alaihis salam, they most probably refer to themselves as the sons of Allah. It is also possible that the purpose of calling themselves sons is that since they believed that they were the favored and beloved ones of Allah, they were like His children. In such a case the meaning of "sons" will be similar to the word ahbar (bishops).

Because it is absolutely impossible and baseless for anyone to be the son of Allah in reality, and it is possible to become His beloved - "Allah loves them and they love Him" (Surah Ma'idah verse 54), this verse therefore first rejects the claim of their being the beloveds of Allah. That nation which has been subjected to various humiliations and punishments in this world and is also eligible for internal punishment in the hereafter because if its open rebellions and serious sins - can any judicious person ever think for a moment that such a rebellious and disobedient nation is the beloved and favorite of Allah? No one has any genealogical relationship with Allah. Being His beloved and acquiring His love can only be attained through obedience and good deeds. Such hardened criminals who are eligible for the severest of punishments and have already become the target of indictments should be ashamed of claiming "We are the sons of Allah and His beloved." Despite the son of Nuh 'alaihis salam being his blood son, Allah said to him: "He is not from you household. His actions are evil." (Surah Hud, verse 46)

Linguistically, Bashar refers to surface of the skin. Because of some connection between the two, man is also referred to as Bashar. The underlining reason for choosing this word in this context is most probably to show that let alone your not being eligible of being referred to as the son and beloved of Allah, you cannot even be referred to as a noble and excellent human. It is only by your skin, form and appearance that you can be referred to as an insignificant human who has been created by Allah in a manner that all other normal humans are created. Therefore, how can this claim of being His son ever be valid?

It is only He who knows who is eligible for pardon and who is to be punished.

Who can object to His pardoning, through His mercy and wisdom, whomever He wills or punishing, through His justice and equity whomever He wills? It is not possible for any criminal to go beyond the jurisdiction of His heaven and earth, nor is it possible for anyone to escape somewhere else after death.

08-04-2012, 04:08 AM	#16
UltraSearchs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 375 Senior Member	I just looked up the commentaries of both these ayat but could not find the statement. Are you sure these are the correct verses? Thank you for posting. I was called away on business all morning. I am still in surah 2 in my reading. Later today, insh'Allah, I will look up the exact page number from the pdf English version of maariful where it states this point. Thanks for posting the excerpt in your last post. I knew I remembered reading it somewhere. Bro as, I looked in ma'ariful Qur'an for the verses I posted and just like you, I couldn't find what I was looking for lol. But to add to what PouringRain posted, here's Tafsir Uthmani's commentary of verse 18 in Surah Ma'idah: The Jewish and Christian claim of being the son of Allah: they probably call themselves sons, i.e. children of Allah because in their Bible Allah referred to Isra'il (Ya'qub 'alaihis salam) as His firstborn son and Himself as his father. On the other hand, the Christians believe that Isa 'alaihis salam is the son of Allah. Due to their [Jews] being the progeny of Isra'il and the Christians being the followers of Isa 'alaihis salam, they most probably refer to themselves as the sons of Allah. It is also possible that the purpose of calling themselves sons is that since they believed that they were the favored and beloved ones of Allah, they were like His children. In such a case the meaning of "sons" will be similar to the word ahbar (bishops). Because it is absolutely impossible and baseless for anyone to be the son of Allah in reality, and it is possible to become His beloved - "Allah loves them and they love Him" (Surah Ma'idah verse 54), this verse therefore first rejects the claim of their being the beloveds of Allah. That nation which has been subjected to various humiliations and punishments in this world and is also eligible for internal punishment in the hereafter because if its open rebellions and serious sins - can any judicious person ever think for a moment that such a rebellious and disobedient nation is the beloved and favorite of Allah? No one has any genealogical relationship with Allah. Being His beloved and acquiring His love can only be attained through obedience and good deeds. Such hardened criminals who are eligible for the severest of punishments and have already become the target of indictments should be ashamed of claiming "We are the sons of Allah and His beloved." Despite the son of Nuh 'alaihis salam being his blood son, Allah said to him: "He is not from you household. His actions are evil." (Surah Hud, verse 46) Linguistically, Bashar refers to surface of the skin. Because of some connection between the two, man is also referred to as Bashar. The underlining reason for choosing this word in this context is most probably to show that let alone your not being eligible of being referred to as the son and beloved of Allah, you cannot even be referred to as a noble and excellent human. It is only by your skin, form and appearance that you can be referred to as an insignificant human who has been created by Allah in a manner that all other normal humans are created. Therefore, how can this claim of being His son ever be valid? It is only He who knows who is eligible for pardon and who is to be punished. Who can object to His pardoning, through His mercy and wisdom, whomever He wills or punishing, through His justice and equity whomever He wills? It is not possible for any criminal to go beyond the jurisdiction of His heaven and earth, nor is it possible for anyone to escape somewhere else after death.
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