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**genna** · 07-24-2012, 11:25 PM

The Ash'aris believe that the wording of the Qur`an is created, which means that they have almost the same I'tiqad as the Mu'tazilah in this matter.
They only regard the meaning of the Qur`an to be uncreated, which is impossible according to their own I'tiqad because they say that the uncreated speech of Allah ta'ala is one indivisible meaning, while we know that the Qur`an contains meanings and is divisible.

certainly not the paper or ink or the voice of the reciter.

at one time some Hanbalis went to great extremes on this issue,

but that was not the way of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra).

This is not true! The Hanabilah/Atharis regard the voice of the recitator and the ink as created!!
But we regard the wording and the meaning of the Qur`an al-karim as uncreated and this is the I'tiqad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahimahullah).

(Please close this thread during Ramadhan, if it leads to arguing.)

07-24-2012, 11:25 PM	#6
genna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	The Ash'aris believe that the wording of the Qur`an is created, which means that they have almost the same I'tiqad as the Mu'tazilah in this matter. They only regard the meaning of the Qur`an to be uncreated, which is impossible according to their own I'tiqad because they say that the uncreated speech of Allah ta'ala is one indivisible meaning, while we know that the Qur`an contains meanings and is divisible. certainly not the paper or ink or the voice of the reciter. at one time some Hanbalis went to great extremes on this issue, but that was not the way of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra). This is not true! The Hanabilah/Atharis regard the voice of the recitator and the ink as created!! But we regard the wording and the meaning of the Qur`an al-karim as uncreated and this is the I'tiqad of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahimahullah). (Please close this thread during Ramadhan, if it leads to arguing.)
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