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**neotheMit** · 07-22-2012, 06:45 AM

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on The Ahmadiyya Qadiani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheIp...ayer_embedded#!

He differentiates between the 2 types of Ahmadis/Qadianis which is something I have not heard of before. Also he mentions Mawlana Muhammad Ali and if my memory serves me correctly he did the first research and refutation of Christianity, and Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik rely heavily on his work, though they don't mention him because he is associated with Qadianis...

So Mr Hamza says that Lahori Ahmadis are not outside the fold of Islam. It is expected from his mouth.

The Qadyanis split into two groups after the death of their first caliph , Hakim Noor uddin. The "Lahori Jamaat" of the Qadyanis did not do bayaat of the second caliph Mira Bashir Ahmad who was the son of Ghulaam Ahmad Qadyani. They took the stance that Mirza Ghulaam Ahmad Qadyani was just a reformer (mujadid) and he never claimed prophet-hood. The Lahori Jamaat does believe that Mirza Ghulam Qadyani was "Maseeh e mo'ood" but in the sense of a reformer."Maulana" Muhammad Ali was the pioneer of Lahori Jamaat. The Qadyani/Ahmadi group unlike the Lahori jamaat takes Ghulaam Ahmad Qadyani as Prophet and the promised massiah and Mehdi. Both these groups have been unanimously declared to be outside the fold of Islam.

07-22-2012, 06:45 AM	#2
neotheMit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	Shaykh Hamza Yusuf on The Ahmadiyya Qadiani http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheIp...ayer_embedded#! He differentiates between the 2 types of Ahmadis/Qadianis which is something I have not heard of before. Also he mentions Mawlana Muhammad Ali and if my memory serves me correctly he did the first research and refutation of Christianity, and Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik rely heavily on his work, though they don't mention him because he is associated with Qadianis... So Mr Hamza says that Lahori Ahmadis are not outside the fold of Islam. It is expected from his mouth. The Qadyanis split into two groups after the death of their first caliph , Hakim Noor uddin. The "Lahori Jamaat" of the Qadyanis did not do bayaat of the second caliph Mira Bashir Ahmad who was the son of Ghulaam Ahmad Qadyani. They took the stance that Mirza Ghulaam Ahmad Qadyani was just a reformer (mujadid) and he never claimed prophet-hood. The Lahori Jamaat does believe that Mirza Ghulam Qadyani was "Maseeh e mo'ood" but in the sense of a reformer."Maulana" Muhammad Ali was the pioneer of Lahori Jamaat. The Qadyani/Ahmadi group unlike the Lahori jamaat takes Ghulaam Ahmad Qadyani as Prophet and the promised massiah and Mehdi. Both these groups have been unanimously declared to be outside the fold of Islam.
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