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**giftbestcom** · 07-17-2012, 06:59 AM

No, it is not pretty much exactly what I said. Secondly, I did not give you knowledge of the deen, I gave you a book written by a scholar who none of us would dare call unreliable. You can take knowledge from his books and lectures can't you? So go ahead and do so. And finally, I am no longer going to continue this discussion with you

السلام عليكم

@Brother Vagabond: While I understand some of your arguments, I do find the way you approach and lay down your arguments as quite rude. Alhamdulillah if you want a discussion that's fine and if you don't agree with something that's fine too, present your case in a proper manner and others will respond to it as Brother Ahmad has done. By posting the way you have done you only discredit yourself and ensure that you're not taken as seriously as you should be despite the fact that you may have valid points.

@Brother Ahmad: If it is now a Fard 'Ayn, then as brother Vagabond was hinting at does that now mean that all of our actions are in vain until we fulfill this Fard, or that we are in constant sin until this is achieved due to it being a Fard 'Ayn on us all? The idea that we may all be in constant sin is quite a depressing one, or that our actions are in vain because we are not fulfilling this. I always thought it was as Brother Vagabond had outlined in his earlier posts that our help, what we should be doing is donating our wealth in order to help those being oppressed purchase better equipment, shelter, medicine etc. I didn't think us dropping everything and going to fight was actually what was needed.

07-17-2012, 06:59 AM	#35
giftbestcom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	No, it is not pretty much exactly what I said. Secondly, I did not give you knowledge of the deen, I gave you a book written by a scholar who none of us would dare call unreliable. You can take knowledge from his books and lectures can't you? So go ahead and do so. And finally, I am no longer going to continue this discussion with you السلام عليكم @Brother Vagabond: While I understand some of your arguments, I do find the way you approach and lay down your arguments as quite rude. Alhamdulillah if you want a discussion that's fine and if you don't agree with something that's fine too, present your case in a proper manner and others will respond to it as Brother Ahmad has done. By posting the way you have done you only discredit yourself and ensure that you're not taken as seriously as you should be despite the fact that you may have valid points. @Brother Ahmad: If it is now a Fard 'Ayn, then as brother Vagabond was hinting at does that now mean that all of our actions are in vain until we fulfill this Fard, or that we are in constant sin until this is achieved due to it being a Fard 'Ayn on us all? The idea that we may all be in constant sin is quite a depressing one, or that our actions are in vain because we are not fulfilling this. I always thought it was as Brother Vagabond had outlined in his earlier posts that our help, what we should be doing is donating our wealth in order to help those being oppressed purchase better equipment, shelter, medicine etc. I didn't think us dropping everything and going to fight was actually what was needed.
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