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**ådrrraj** · 07-16-2012, 09:42 PM

The other martial arts mentioned deemed as permissible by the Mufti also involve striking the face and potentially 'undue physical harm'.

Yes but other martial arts are usually associated with learning for the primary purpose of self-defence. So jui-jitsu, karate etc etc are associated with learning for self defence and usually these classes when they teach you how to defend yourself they are done without injury or without intent to harm. For example you are taught moves which involve hitting someone in the face, but in class you would do it very slowly with little force to practice them in the case that you are ever attacked on the street. When it comes to competitions, most competitions remove the aspect of hitting on the face and involve other things, like grappling, or submissions etc.

Boxing is usually associated as a sport rather than a self defence course. If you read the mufti's fatwa you will see he says boxing which involves just a bag etc and not hitting the human face is permissible.

07-16-2012, 09:42 PM	#16
ådrrraj Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 492 Senior Member	The other martial arts mentioned deemed as permissible by the Mufti also involve striking the face and potentially 'undue physical harm'. Yes but other martial arts are usually associated with learning for the primary purpose of self-defence. So jui-jitsu, karate etc etc are *associated* with learning for self defence and usually these classes when they teach you how to defend yourself they are done without injury or without intent to harm. For example you are taught moves which involve hitting someone in the face, but in class you would do it very slowly with little force to practice them in the case that you are ever attacked on the street. When it comes to competitions, most competitions remove the aspect of hitting on the face and involve other things, like grappling, or submissions etc. Boxing is usually associated as a sport rather than a self defence course. If you read the mufti's fatwa you will see he says boxing which involves just a bag etc and not hitting the human face is permissible.
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