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**Ad0i89Od** · 07-17-2012, 04:00 PM

Jazakumullahu khayran. But what if you are facing this situation and this way of thinking ?
Al-hamdulillahi, i am now based in England, but the country i come from, and where i may have to go back at some point, has nothing to do with what you have here. Masha'allahu you have well established madaris, plenty masajid, great `ulama' (and real ones...), many students of knolwedge and people who can stand and fight for the sunnah... But in my country things are so different. The few shuyukh we have do not always stand with the truth... They don't always follow the dominant opinion of their madhhab (maliki)... and other things of the kind. On the other side, the salafis are quite well established over there... they probably represent the majority of the Ummah. This is the reason why you will have many people (even the "shuyukh") saying that neglecting some sunan to deferenciate from the "wah..bi way" is actually something that we should do, and most of the time this will coincide with the dress code. They won't say it that way, of course they won't say "neglect a sunnah", but this is how i interpret and understand things. The way they would say it is more like the way Shaykh Laraki presented his opinion.

So i do get your point, but i feel things are not as perfect and simple as they may be here, in England.
I know a forum is not the ideal place to get the wisdom, but i felt as sunniforum was a good place for that... Allah Only knows if i was wrong.

Do you understand that i can't really ignore it, even if i wanted to, as those things are constantly coming my way ?

Hmm... this may not be clear enough. Khayr insha'allahu.

It is is clear and I can appreciate the dilemma you are in, but what I say stands.

Whatever focus you direct yourself towards Allah will manifest and heighten this for you, make sense? It is the custom of Allah to open up the doors for whatever you dedicate and commit towards (the outcome does not mean it will always be good i.e. someone wants to just become wealthy)

One of the main reasons for confusion is lack of consultation. According to the interpretation of the Scholars the first command after Salah in the Quran is 'Consultation', one who is does not consult their affairs with scholars and rightly guided people is at a grave loss. We have been in conflict with Salafi's, Wahabi's, Brelawi's, etc, but always done via consultation of our elders and scholars. Those areas that we thought were important in our minds, may not be the case and we are advised to rethink through.

It is all about occupation of time, seriously. If you spend your energy trying to find all the women in your area (or anywhere else) that do not even know the obligatory act of bathing, your lifetime will be filled, I kid you not. Test this theory and ask a handful of young teenagers from non-deeni families/communities and see the response you get.

There is for you as a person who is not a scholar (I am assuming) that can do much more with your time that is worthy of the true pleasure of Allah and leave the rest to those who are more qualified. But my advise is only my own opinion and experience and if you are still adamant then Allah open the doors foe you, Ameen. However do not put yourself on a pedestal or highly plain that you have been gifted with from Allah i.e. taking the role of the scholars to unravel discussions and debates on matters of fiqh where you are clearly not qualified to do. In this era many want to take on this role, the freedom of information act in Islam (just made that up) and Mufti Google has given a digital Sanad to all who please.

This is one of the most powerful tool that the devil has unleashed on the Muslims. Destroy the tradition of the Deen and the people will fall.

07-17-2012, 04:00 PM	#17
Ad0i89Od Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	Jazakumullahu khayran. But what if you are facing this situation and this way of thinking ? Al-hamdulillahi, i am now based in England, but the country i come from, and where i may have to go back at some point, has nothing to do with what you have here. Masha'allahu you have well established madaris, plenty masajid, great `ulama' (and real ones...), many students of knolwedge and people who can stand and fight for the sunnah... But in my country things are so different. The few shuyukh we have do not always stand with the truth... They don't always follow the dominant opinion of their madhhab (maliki)... and other things of the kind. On the other side, the salafis are quite well established over there... they probably represent the majority of the Ummah. This is the reason why you will have many people (even the "shuyukh") saying that neglecting some sunan to deferenciate from the "wah..bi way" is actually something that we should do, and most of the time this will coincide with the dress code. They won't say it that way, of course they won't say "neglect a sunnah", but this is how i interpret and understand things. The way they would say it is more like the way Shaykh Laraki presented his opinion. So i do get your point, but i feel things are not as perfect and simple as they may be here, in England. I know a forum is not the ideal place to get the wisdom, but i felt as sunniforum was a good place for that... Allah Only knows if i was wrong. Do you understand that i can't really ignore it, even if i wanted to, as those things are constantly coming my way ? Hmm... this may not be clear enough. Khayr insha'allahu. It is is clear and I can appreciate the dilemma you are in, but what I say stands. Whatever focus you direct yourself towards Allah will manifest and heighten this for you, make sense? It is the custom of Allah to open up the doors for whatever you dedicate and commit towards (the outcome does not mean it will always be good i.e. someone wants to just become wealthy) One of the main reasons for confusion is lack of consultation. According to the interpretation of the Scholars the first command after Salah in the Quran is 'Consultation', one who is does not consult their affairs with scholars and rightly guided people is at a grave loss. We have been in conflict with Salafi's, Wahabi's, Brelawi's, etc, but always done via consultation of our elders and scholars. Those areas that we thought were important in our minds, may not be the case and we are advised to rethink through. It is all about occupation of time, seriously. If you spend your energy trying to find all the women in your area (or anywhere else) that do not even know the obligatory act of bathing, your lifetime will be filled, I kid you not. Test this theory and ask a handful of young teenagers from non-deeni families/communities and see the response you get. There is for you as a person who is not a scholar (I am assuming) that can do much more with your time that is worthy of the true pleasure of Allah and leave the rest to those who are more qualified. But my advise is only my own opinion and experience and if you are still adamant then Allah open the doors foe you, Ameen. However do not put yourself on a pedestal or highly plain that you have been gifted with from Allah i.e. taking the role of the scholars to unravel discussions and debates on matters of fiqh where you are clearly not qualified to do. In this era many want to take on this role, the freedom of information act in Islam (just made that up) and Mufti Google has given a digital Sanad to all who please. This is one of the most powerful tool that the devil has unleashed on the Muslims. Destroy the tradition of the Deen and the people will fall.
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