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**V8V8V8** · 12-10-2011, 10:36 PM

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I believe Mufti Taqi Usmani has done a bayan on the spiritual harms of argumentation and debates

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Below is a transcription

00:00 – The second thing he stated, “Even if Argument & Debate are for/on Haqq, abstain from Argument & Debate.”

00:10 – This (Argument & Debate) is too from among the banalities – (caused by the tongue) one of it's great banalities.

00:18 – It is one of the great pastimes of the people. Wherever a gathering takes place and a topic arises, Argument & Debate begins. [They argue] on completely useless things, those that neither bring any benefit in this world, nor in the hereafter. On such things, Argument & Debate.

00:36 – And keep in mind that this Argument & Debate, this is such a thing, that it utterly destroys the Baatin (inner being, purity of soul) of the human being.

00:44 – There is a statement attributed to Imam Malik that states (Mufti Taqi Uthmani stated the words of Imam Malik in Arabic, followed by their Urdu Translation), Imam Malik states that, “Argument & Debate destroys the 'light' of knowledge.” Meaning (for example) this happens predominantly among scholars, this Argument & Debate, because every scholar thinks he knows more, and due to this, if another [scholar] states something [different] then [the first] is ready to argue. And hours are being spent in it (argument); whether the argument is oral, or as written words / writing, in it time is being spent.

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01:18 – Imam Malik (Rahmatullahi-'alaih) states: [this] Debate destroys the 'light' of knowledge. The 'light' of knowledge does not remain and is lost. Oh brother, basically, (in simple, plain words), if your opinion is different from another person's, state your own opinion, “This is my opinion (---).” Listen to what the other person has to say, and if you understand what he has to say, accept it. And if you don't understand, then say, “I didn't understand what you said”, and (the two people separate ways on good terms, maintaining that all good is from Allah); what you understand, you follow, and what I understand, I will follow. (Unintelligible). The inherent result of Argument & Debate, when two individuals argue, each individual wishes that he should dominate [the argument]. 'My argument should remain dominant,' and he remains concerned in defeating his opponent. He (the arguer) then fails to differentiate the boundaries of Haqq (~ truth) from those of Baatil (~ falsehood). By whatever means, the opponent should be defeated – this idea then takes root.

02:17 – And sometimes Argument & Debate occurs over useless matters. (Unintelligible) – the Khalifah (follower/student) of [unintelligible - (someone)] stated that even if I am on Haqq and am stating the complete truth, and the other person is stating that which is wrong, even then do not engage in Argument & Debate. From your personal perspective, whatever you have come to understand, state that. And if you (the other person) come to understand that as well, then accept it, and if you do not understand, then (each individual's efforts are to his own).

02:45 – This idea extends to such an extent that look, Surah Al-Kaafiroon (the disbelievers – Qur'an, Chapter 109), that you and all of us recite in our prayers, this [Surah / chapter] was revealed for just such a purpose. That the Prophet Muhammad (PBAuh), said that his message of Tawheed (doctrine of Oneness of Allah), was stated completely and thoroughly to the Kuffar of Makkah (the disbelievers of Mecca, Saudi Arabia) and the proofs for it and everything related to it had been explained [to them].

12-10-2011, 10:36 PM	#14
V8V8V8 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 603 Senior Member	http://www.muftisays.com/forums/peop...5/debates.html I believe Mufti Taqi Usmani has done a bayan on the spiritual harms of argumentation and debates http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ti-Taqi-Usmani Below is a transcription 00:00 – The second thing he stated, “Even if Argument & Debate are for/on Haqq, abstain from Argument & Debate.” 00:10 – This (Argument & Debate) is too from among the banalities – (caused by the tongue) one of it's great banalities. 00:18 – It is one of the great pastimes of the people. Wherever a gathering takes place and a topic arises, Argument & Debate begins. [They argue] on completely useless things, those that neither bring any benefit in this world, nor in the hereafter. On such things, Argument & Debate. 00:36 – And keep in mind that this Argument & Debate, this is such a thing, that it utterly destroys the Baatin (inner being, purity of soul) of the human being. 00:44 – There is a statement attributed to Imam Malik that states (Mufti Taqi Uthmani stated the words of Imam Malik in Arabic, followed by their Urdu Translation), Imam Malik states that, “Argument & Debate destroys the 'light' of knowledge.” Meaning (for example) this happens predominantly among scholars, this Argument & Debate, because every scholar thinks he knows more, and due to this, if another [scholar] states something [different] then [the first] is ready to argue. And hours are being spent in it (argument); whether the argument is oral, or as written words / writing, in it time is being spent. Con't... 01:18 – Imam Malik (Rahmatullahi-'alaih) states: [this] Debate destroys the 'light' of knowledge. The 'light' of knowledge does not remain and is lost. Oh brother, basically, (in simple, plain words), if your opinion is different from another person's, state your own opinion, “This is my opinion (---).” Listen to what the other person has to say, and if you understand what he has to say, accept it. And if you don't understand, then say, “I didn't understand what you said”, and (the two people separate ways on good terms, maintaining that all good is from Allah); what you understand, you follow, and what I understand, I will follow. (Unintelligible). The inherent result of Argument & Debate, when two individuals argue, each individual wishes that he should dominate [the argument]. 'My argument should remain dominant,' and he remains concerned in defeating his opponent. He (the arguer) then fails to differentiate the boundaries of Haqq (~ truth) from those of Baatil (~ falsehood). By whatever means, the opponent should be defeated – this idea then takes root. 02:17 – And sometimes Argument & Debate occurs over useless matters. (Unintelligible) – the Khalifah (follower/student) of [unintelligible - (someone)] stated that even if I am on Haqq and am stating the complete truth, and the other person is stating that which is wrong, even then do not engage in Argument & Debate. From your personal perspective, whatever you have come to understand, state that. And if you (the other person) come to understand that as well, then accept it, and if you do not understand, then (each individual's efforts are to his own). 02:45 – This idea extends to such an extent that look, Surah Al-Kaafiroon (the disbelievers – Qur'an, Chapter 109), that you and all of us recite in our prayers, this [Surah / chapter] was revealed for just such a purpose. That the Prophet Muhammad (PBAuh), said that his message of Tawheed (doctrine of Oneness of Allah), was stated completely and thoroughly to the Kuffar of Makkah (the disbelievers of Mecca, Saudi Arabia) and the proofs for it and everything related to it had been explained [to them].
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