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**venediene** · 07-10-2012, 08:47 PM

Brother

No I am not saying reject rajam, but at least apply the conditions for its application, and have some mercy, do not try to spy on people or catch them, Allah

has hidden some sins and neither the government or other Muslims are authorised to pick out and search for the sins of others. It is between them and Allah

. Allah

did not say that tawba is only accepted if rajam is done. The law of rajam is more a deterrent to stop Muslims falling into zina because the law of rajm makes it a very high price to pay. Most fuqaha say that rajm does not mean that the guilty is forgiven. I would even say that this is a victimless crime no one is harmed it is one of the rights of Allah that have been broken, but of course the rights of the other partner in the marriage have also been broken, so it is not strictly a victimless crime.

I think riba causes zina, family problems, conflict etc. in societies. If people have money problems they will work longer, feel pressure husband and wife might become distant and soon they are looking somewhere else for affection. Riba is the root cause and a major major sin that should not be taken lightly, it is worse that zina because it affects everyone widely.

bro.

I m not implying to carry out rajm in a non-shariah based state.

But just because people reject Riba, bro we should reject rajm?
You say Riba is the root cause of many problems, isn't Zina a major cause of problems in our present society?
Yesterday people rejected riba, today people want to reject rajm, tomorrow something else.

Bro do you know a person who is stoned to death is actually experiencing a HUGE MERCY of Allah Ta'ala. It is a valid opinion that after the hadd punishment that person is NO LONGER held account for that sin in the AKHIRAH. Compare stoning to death to the dreaded punishment in Jahannam....! We should understand the hikmah of the laws of shariah in our mind bro.

Allahu alam.

07-10-2012, 08:47 PM	#29
venediene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	Brother No I am not saying reject rajam, but at least apply the conditions for its application, and have some mercy, do not try to spy on people or catch them, Allah has hidden some sins and neither the government or other Muslims are authorised to pick out and search for the sins of others. It is between them and Allah . Allah did not say that tawba is only accepted if rajam is done. The law of rajam is more a deterrent to stop Muslims falling into zina because the law of rajm makes it a very high price to pay. Most fuqaha say that rajm does not mean that the guilty is forgiven. I would even say that this is a victimless crime no one is harmed it is one of the rights of Allah that have been broken, but of course the rights of the other partner in the marriage have also been broken, so it is not strictly a victimless crime. I think riba causes zina, family problems, conflict etc. in societies. If people have money problems they will work longer, feel pressure husband and wife might become distant and soon they are looking somewhere else for affection. Riba is the root cause and a major major sin that should not be taken lightly, it is worse that zina because it affects everyone widely. bro. I m not implying to carry out rajm in a non-shariah based state. But just because people reject Riba, bro we should reject rajm? You say Riba is the root cause of many problems, isn't Zina a major cause of problems in our present society? Yesterday people rejected riba, today people want to reject rajm, tomorrow something else. Bro do you know a person who is stoned to death is actually experiencing a HUGE MERCY of Allah Ta'ala. It is a valid opinion that after the hadd punishment that person is NO LONGER held account for that sin in the AKHIRAH. Compare stoning to death to the dreaded punishment in Jahannam....! We should understand the hikmah of the laws of shariah in our mind bro. Allahu alam.
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