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**Pharmadryg** · 07-13-2012, 01:22 AM

salam `alaykum,

There is no reason to be confused. Whoever wrote what you've posted shows clear ignorance of the Qur'an and the language it was revealed in.

The verse says, "thumma atimmu s-siyama ila l-layl." This correctly translates to "then complete the fast up to the night." The question here is, will "the night" be included in the fast or not? The scholars of Arabic have clearly stated in their respective writings that if the thing mentioned after "up to" [ila] is from the genus of what is mentioned before "up to," then what is after is included in what is before it. But if they are not from the same genus, then what is after "up to" is not included in what is before it.

For example, Allah says, "wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows" (fa ghsilu wujuhakum wa aydiyakum ila l-marafiq) [5:6]. Here, the elbows are from the genus of the hands [i.e. arms], so the elbow is included in the the part of the arm that is supposed to be washed.

This is not the case in the verse about completing the fast up to the night, because fasting and night are two completely different things and not from the same genus. Thus, "the night" will not be included in "the fast" and you will break your fast before the night, i.e. at maghrib.

There is no need to get into what night means or giving opinions on how the Qur'an should have been worded after understanding this.

I hope it is clear.

07-13-2012, 01:22 AM	#5
Pharmadryg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	salam `alaykum, There is no reason to be confused. Whoever wrote what you've posted shows clear ignorance of the Qur'an and the language it was revealed in. The verse says, "thumma atimmu s-siyama ila* l-layl." This correctly translates to "then complete the fast up to* the night." The question here is, will "the night" be included in the fast or not? The scholars of Arabic have clearly stated in their respective writings that if the thing mentioned after "up to" [ila] is from the genus of what is mentioned before "up to," then what is after is included in what is before it. But if they are not from the same genus, then what is after "up to" is not included in what is before it. For example, Allah says, "wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows" (fa ghsilu wujuhakum wa aydiyakum ila* l-marafiq) [5:6]. Here, the elbows are from the genus of the hands [i.e. arms], so the elbow is included in the the part of the arm that is supposed to be washed. This is not the case in the verse about completing the fast up to the night, because fasting and night are two completely different things and not from the same genus. Thus, "the night" will not be included in "the fast" and you will break your fast before the night, i.e. at maghrib*. There is no need to get into what night means or giving opinions on how the Qur'an should have been worded after understanding this. I hope it is clear.
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