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**Niobaralegra** · 07-12-2012, 10:28 PM

Assalamu'alaikum

There are two kinds of salafi in Indonesia

- Hizbiyah Salafi. They are salafi that issued fatwa that making organizaton is haram. Ironically they make group (hizb), taqlid to their sheikh in Arabia, very proud with their "spirit of the corp".

- Non-Hizbiyah Salafi. They do not forbid organization. So, they established some da'wah foundations. However, they are not exclusive people who distance themselves from other Muslims.

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I know personaly with few brothers from non-hizbiyah salafi. They are kind, polite, and even friendly. Sometime I perform salah jama'ah with them in masjid, behind the same Imam. I often read articles in their websites, and I didn't find 'dangerous things'. There are matters which I totally disagree with them, but I appreciate them because they wrote or told their stances in good manner. Once again, they do not follow madhab but they are not anti madhab.

Different than the hizbiyoon (hizbiyah salafi). Those people are really trouble makers. Spread fitnah to everywhere, insult ulama, attack the madhab, force other Muslims to taqlid to some sheikh. And force other Muslims to accept their opinions, if other Muslims refuse to accept their opinions, they call kafir.

They made Muslims in Indonesia very angry. So Muslims urged MUI (Indonesian ulama council) to issue fatwa to declare manhaj as-salaf as deviant sect. But MUI refuse it and said, manhaj as-salaf is not deviant, deviation is in the persons.

There was a case in 2009 which some Shafi'i brothers could not hold their anger. Then attacked the hizbiyah salafi houses, beat those salafi, dragged them to masjid, and forced them to apologize because they had insult the ulama.

Frankly, I saw something strange from one group in hisbiyah salafi. They often criticize and denounce Muslim who perform jihad or want to implement sharia, but they made some statement that clearly pro America or even pro zionist.

There are many other negative things from the hizbiyah salafi behavior that made Islam look bad. But it's too long if I must write in this post. May Allah give hidayah to the hizbiyah salafi and turn them into good Muslims.

07-12-2012, 10:28 PM	#10
Niobaralegra Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Assalamu'alaikum There are two kinds of salafi in Indonesia - Hizbiyah Salafi. They are salafi that issued fatwa that making organizaton is haram. Ironically they make group (hizb), taqlid to their sheikh in Arabia, very proud with their "spirit of the corp". - Non-Hizbiyah Salafi. They do not forbid organization. So, they established some da'wah foundations. However, they are not exclusive people who distance themselves from other Muslims. *** I know personaly with few brothers from non-hizbiyah salafi. They are kind, polite, and even friendly. Sometime I perform salah jama'ah with them in masjid, behind the same Imam. I often read articles in their websites, and I didn't find 'dangerous things'. There are matters which I totally disagree with them, but I appreciate them because they wrote or told their stances in good manner. Once again, they do not follow madhab but they are not anti madhab. Different than the hizbiyoon (hizbiyah salafi). Those people are really trouble makers. Spread fitnah to everywhere, insult ulama, attack the madhab, force other Muslims to taqlid to some sheikh. And force other Muslims to accept their opinions, if other Muslims refuse to accept their opinions, they call kafir. They made Muslims in Indonesia very angry. So Muslims urged MUI (Indonesian ulama council) to issue fatwa to declare manhaj as-salaf as deviant sect. But MUI refuse it and said, manhaj as-salaf is not deviant, deviation is in the persons. There was a case in 2009 which some Shafi'i brothers could not hold their anger. Then attacked the hizbiyah salafi houses, beat those salafi, dragged them to masjid, and forced them to apologize because they had insult the ulama. Frankly, I saw something strange from one group in hisbiyah salafi. They often criticize and denounce Muslim who perform jihad or want to implement sharia, but they made some statement that clearly pro America or even pro zionist. There are many other negative things from the hizbiyah salafi behavior that made Islam look bad. But it's too long if I must write in this post. May Allah give hidayah to the hizbiyah salafi and turn them into good Muslims.
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