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**bromgeksan** · 06-22-2012, 10:07 PM

Jazakum Allahu Khairan, I can understand it better now.. so free will exists in humans, though it still depends on God? right? so I guess we don't have a total free will but we neither can say that we are totally bounded, right? our religion is not like Calvinism, isn't it?

Thank you all!

In some senses it is like Calvanism, in that we are at the Mercy of our Lords will. However, Islam is the perfect Deen, so is balanced. So we are not nihilistic, we believe free will is a gift, and are positive about the human spirit. Calvanism assumes a negative position on fitrah.

You could probably pick out some tenants and theology of every modal form of worship, or every religion and you would find Islam has dealt with or incorporates that concept, yet Subhanallah through the blessings of Muhammad peace be upon, and the sahaabah and the ulema and awliya, we have a more rational and balanced understanding.

Thats what i found anyway.

so I guess our intentions are from us? or they either depends on God? maybe I am making too many questions.. sometimes I am afraid that it isn't fair to pretend to know everything! Yes from us. Thats the gift we have above animals. Our intentions CAN be to divert from our orginal fitrah (nature we were born upon).

A monkey will always behave like a monkey. A monkey cant decide to behave like a dog or a cat.
A man can decide to behave like a monkey, cat or dog.

The thing that depends on God is Qadr, Divine Predestination. So we make our intention, do the acts (our free will) and the consequence is Qadr of Allah. So when we throw a ball in the air, its the Qadr of Allah that he created gravity, so the ball comes down to our hands.

In some senses (maybe this is where Calvanism is relevant) EVERYTHING is Allahs will, beacause to act, Allah has Created our thoughts, our will, our mouths, our limbs, heart, brain - all the tools we require to think and act.

When we do bad things, the Qadr of Allah maybe to eventually punish, or to lead us to Repentence and forgive us. But only Allah knows.

Its good to keep asking questions. Dont ever stop.

Salaam

06-22-2012, 10:07 PM	#11
bromgeksan Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	Jazakum Allahu Khairan, I can understand it better now.. so free will exists in humans, though it still depends on God? right? so I guess we don't have a total free will but we neither can say that we are totally bounded, right? our religion is not like Calvinism, isn't it? Thank you all! In some senses it is like Calvanism, in that we are at the Mercy of our Lords will. However, Islam is the perfect Deen, so is balanced. So we are not nihilistic, we believe free will is a gift, and are positive about the human spirit. Calvanism assumes a negative position on fitrah. You could probably pick out some tenants and theology of every modal form of worship, or every religion and you would find Islam has dealt with or incorporates that concept, yet Subhanallah through the blessings of Muhammad peace be upon, and the sahaabah and the ulema and awliya, we have a more rational and balanced understanding. Thats what i found anyway. so I guess our intentions are from us? or they either depends on God? maybe I am making too many questions.. sometimes I am afraid that it isn't fair to pretend to know everything! Yes from us. Thats the gift we have above animals. Our intentions CAN be to divert from our orginal fitrah (nature we were born upon). A monkey will always behave like a monkey. A monkey cant decide to behave like a dog or a cat. A man can decide to behave like a monkey, cat or dog. The thing that depends on God is Qadr, Divine Predestination. So we make our intention, do the acts (our free will) and the consequence is Qadr of Allah. So when we throw a ball in the air, its the Qadr of Allah that he created gravity, so the ball comes down to our hands. In some senses (maybe this is where Calvanism is relevant) EVERYTHING is Allahs will, beacause to act, Allah has Created our thoughts, our will, our mouths, our limbs, heart, brain - all the tools we require to think and act. When we do bad things, the Qadr of Allah maybe to eventually punish, or to lead us to Repentence and forgive us. But only Allah knows. Its good to keep asking questions. Dont ever stop. Salaam
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