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**Z2sc8gEz** · 07-04-2012, 04:30 PM

1) If you have a problem with grave-worshipping. Then you need to STOP the grave-worshipping, NOT the grave.

2) If you want to stop the grave-worship, then you need to show that it is Haram. Breaking graves without an explanation is not the answer.

3) If you are just a regular bloke on the street, you have no right to trespass on another's property and start vandalizing.

4) If you are the rulership or have taken-over rulership (like 'Ansar Dine' in Mali), then WHY do you need to Break the tombs?? Dont you have the power to Prevent grave-worship, and dont you have the power to Educate the laymen, since you're apparently "establishing Sharia rule"?

5) Once you have taken effective control of the state/region, "militant" activities are not needed, education/dawa is needed. Otherwise, you have established dictatorship/tyranny and not Sharia.

1) Grave worship and erecting graves are two different things. The quote you were responding to of me said I have a problem with grave worshipping sufis (i.e. false sufi claimants) so its a different topic to demolishing graves

2) I agree, you need to teach tawheed, I would assume that ansar ad din are doing that inshAllah and not just randomly smashing things

3) I agree vigilantism is not allowed in islam. We can speak against it with our tongue though inshAllah

4) If you are the ruler and you wish to act upon the ahadeeth ordering the smashing of tombs and you wish to act upon the opinions of the salaf I have mentioned ordered the smashing of tombs then this is why you would smash the tombs. We must respect the legitimate opinion they are following inshAllah

5) You have to define what you mean by "militant". "militant" and "dictatorship" are western terms and have no basis in the shariah. All a ruler simply needs to do is implement the hukm of Allah. This may involve "education" and it may involve what the west may describe as "militant" activity in the way of enforcing Islamic rules on the people. This is how it has been from the time of the prophet SAW right up until the time that the final handhold of Islam was broken (i.e. the hukm of Allah)

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Z2sc8gEz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	1) If you have a problem with grave-worshipping. Then you need to STOP the grave-worshipping, NOT the grave. 2) If you want to stop the grave-worship, then you need to show that it is Haram. Breaking graves without an explanation is not the answer. 3) If you are just a regular bloke on the street, you have no right to trespass on another's property and start vandalizing. 4) If you are the rulership or have taken-over rulership (like 'Ansar Dine' in Mali), then WHY do you need to Break the tombs?? Dont you have the power to Prevent grave-worship, and dont you have the power to Educate the laymen, since you're apparently "establishing Sharia rule"? 5) Once you have taken effective control of the state/region, "militant" activities are not needed, education/dawa is needed. Otherwise, you have established dictatorship/tyranny and not Sharia. 1) Grave worship and erecting graves are two different things. The quote you were responding to of me said I have a problem with grave worshipping sufis (i.e. false sufi claimants) so its a different topic to demolishing graves 2) I agree, you need to teach tawheed, I would assume that ansar ad din are doing that inshAllah and not just randomly smashing things 3) I agree vigilantism is not allowed in islam. We can speak against it with our tongue though inshAllah 4) If you are the ruler and you wish to act upon the ahadeeth ordering the smashing of tombs and you wish to act upon the opinions of the salaf I have mentioned ordered the smashing of tombs then this is why you would smash the tombs. We must respect the legitimate opinion they are following inshAllah 5) You have to define what you mean by "militant". "militant" and "dictatorship" are western terms and have no basis in the shariah. All a ruler simply needs to do is implement the hukm of Allah. This may involve "education" and it may involve what the west may describe as "militant" activity in the way of enforcing Islamic rules on the people. This is how it has been from the time of the prophet SAW right up until the time that the final handhold of Islam was broken (i.e. the hukm of Allah)
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