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**jenilopaz** · 07-03-2012, 06:44 PM

calm down bro I agree taht these arent real sufis. I mean tehre are two types of sufis right? sufis who concern themselves with khair e.g. suhbah, tazkiyatun nafs, salawat, dhickr etc, then you have the extreme sufis who believe their shaikh goes to pray at makka 5 times a day and things like that.

If you prefer me to use a different term to extreme sufi I will akh but calm down and dont be so harsh, I havent intentionally insulted you I thought that this was how the brothers here distinguish between real sufis and charlatans

No, there aren't two kinds of Sufis and you contradicted yourself in this post by saying that they're not "real sufis" then saying that there are two kinds of sufis. You're confounding "extreme" Sufis with fake Sufis and charlatans. If an extremist Sufi isn't a Sufi, then it follows that an extremist Muslim isn't a Muslim, when both claims are far from the truth.

Either one is a true Sufi or one isn't. Those that hold such beliefs like the one you mentioned may have nothing to do with Sufism so why even bring up this association? There are many Animists in Africa and there are many Hindus in India. Both Hindus and Animists influenced Muslims in their region and it wasn't Sufi belief that turned them to bid'ah, but Animist and Hindu belief respectively. Now, fake Sufis capitalized on these deviated beliefs for their own agenda but again, this is not the cause - that is to say, these beliefs are not a result of Sufism, but of superstition.

It is unjust to attribute these weird un-Islamic beliefs to Sufism just how it would be unjust to attribute any Muslim on Muslim violence to Salafis.

EDIT:

As an example, you saying that these weird beliefs are somehow "extreme soofi beliefs" would be akin to a non-Muslim saying that acid-throwing is Islamic belief.

07-03-2012, 06:44 PM	#12
jenilopaz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 399 Senior Member	calm down bro I agree taht these arent real sufis. I mean tehre are two types of sufis right? sufis who concern themselves with khair e.g. suhbah, tazkiyatun nafs, salawat, dhickr etc, then you have the extreme sufis who believe their shaikh goes to pray at makka 5 times a day and things like that. If you prefer me to use a different term to extreme sufi I will akh but calm down and dont be so harsh, I havent intentionally insulted you I thought that this was how the brothers here distinguish between real sufis and charlatans No, there aren't two kinds of Sufis and you contradicted yourself in this post by saying that they're not "real sufis" then saying that there are two kinds of sufis. You're confounding "extreme" Sufis with fake Sufis and charlatans. If an extremist Sufi isn't a Sufi, then it follows that an extremist Muslim isn't a Muslim, when both claims are far from the truth. Either one is a true Sufi or one isn't. Those that hold such beliefs like the one you mentioned may have nothing to do with Sufism so why even bring up this association? There are many Animists in Africa and there are many Hindus in India. Both Hindus and Animists influenced Muslims in their region and it wasn't Sufi belief that turned them to bid'ah, but Animist and Hindu belief respectively. Now, fake Sufis capitalized on these deviated beliefs for their own agenda but again, this is not the cause - that is to say, these beliefs are not a result of Sufism, but of superstition. It is unjust to attribute these weird un-Islamic beliefs to Sufism just how it would be unjust to attribute any Muslim on Muslim violence to Salafis. EDIT: As an example, you saying that these weird beliefs are somehow "extreme soofi beliefs" would be akin to a non-Muslim saying that acid-throwing is Islamic belief.
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