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**boizzones** · 07-03-2012, 07:05 PM

ok well thats a good thing bro jazak allahu khair, i never said they represent real sufis or sufi beliefs, I picked up the term extreme sufi from others here, meaning they have taken sufism and taken it to extremes, but I dont mind what term I shoudl use for them if you can suggest another inshAllah. Ahlal bid'ah got me an infraction yesterday so please suggest something inshAllah

Also bare in mind taht I have been on the opposite end of this discussion regarding salafis for a long time here, asking people to be more just etc, and people basically told me to stop complaining ratehr than actually say what your saying now. So it seems unfair to me taht brotehrs would be concerned with fairness when it comes to sufis but not salafis (not saying you do this but otehrs do). People are more than happy to link salafis to all sorts, basing their understanding of salafis on front page news, or some guy they met in the masjid, or extreme offshoots that dont represent teh salafi jama'ah. So there needs to be consistency on application of principles if you catch my drift. if this clarification is made for sufis, same should apply for salafis

People understand Salafism differently based on their own context. If I was living in Pakistan, whenever I would talk about Salafism, I would most likely be referring to the Ahle Hadees of Pakistan, who are a plague (infamous for equating Hanafis with mushrikeen). If I was living in Saudia, whenever I would speak of Salafis, I would refer to the Salafi scholars. So, everything has a context and we all know that not all Salafis are the same. Some people are affiliated with certain personalities or groups that have a hatred of Salafis due to what happened in the Najd centuries ago and thus would also have a hatred of Salafis.

Overall, it is best to ignore people who lay baseless accusations upon Salafis. Or just know that they are most likely referring to a particular group within Salafiyyah that probably holds the beliefs that they claim the Salafis hold. But you should also be less inflammatory in your posts. You often bring up differences between the Salafis and non-Salafis, such as the issue of taqleed (and there are differences on this within the Salafiyyah as well, with some Salafis saying that taqleed is obligatory upon the layperson) and tasawwuf. In fact, there are so many Salafis that practice Sufism and some are even fake Sufis and take part in weird rituals or hold strange beliefs. What makes them Salafi? A lot of these fake Sufis don't adhere to their madhhab. I would even say that Tahir ul Qadri is a "la madhhabi" since he goes against established Hanafi principles and does his own ijtihad.

07-03-2012, 07:05 PM	#23
boizzones Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 372 Senior Member	ok well thats a good thing bro jazak allahu khair, i never said they represent real sufis or sufi beliefs, I picked up the term extreme sufi from others here, meaning they have taken sufism and taken it to extremes, but I dont mind what term I shoudl use for them if you can suggest another inshAllah. Ahlal bid'ah got me an infraction yesterday so please suggest something inshAllah Also bare in mind taht I have been on the opposite end of this discussion regarding salafis for a long time here, asking people to be more just etc, and people basically told me to stop complaining ratehr than actually say what your saying now. So it seems unfair to me taht brotehrs would be concerned with fairness when it comes to sufis but not salafis (not saying you do this but otehrs do). People are more than happy to link salafis to all sorts, basing their understanding of salafis on front page news, or some guy they met in the masjid, or extreme offshoots that dont represent teh salafi jama'ah. So there needs to be consistency on application of principles if you catch my drift. if this clarification is made for sufis, same should apply for salafis People understand Salafism differently based on their own context. If I was living in Pakistan, whenever I would talk about Salafism, I would most likely be referring to the Ahle Hadees of Pakistan, who are a plague (infamous for equating Hanafis with mushrikeen). If I was living in Saudia, whenever I would speak of Salafis, I would refer to the Salafi scholars. So, everything has a context and we all know that not all Salafis are the same. Some people are affiliated with certain personalities or groups that have a hatred of Salafis due to what happened in the Najd centuries ago and thus would also have a hatred of Salafis. Overall, it is best to ignore people who lay baseless accusations upon Salafis. Or just know that they are most likely referring to a particular group within Salafiyyah that probably holds the beliefs that they claim the Salafis hold. But you should also be less inflammatory in your posts. You often bring up differences between the Salafis and non-Salafis, such as the issue of taqleed (and there are differences on this within the Salafiyyah as well, with some Salafis saying that taqleed is obligatory upon the layperson) and tasawwuf. In fact, there are so many Salafis that practice Sufism and some are even fake Sufis and take part in weird rituals or hold strange beliefs. What makes them Salafi? A lot of these fake Sufis don't adhere to their madhhab. I would even say that Tahir ul Qadri is a "la madhhabi" since he goes against established Hanafi principles and does his own ijtihad.
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