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**StoyaFanst** · 07-03-2012, 07:18 PM

Is this thread supposed to be about the real or not real partisanship of Sunniforum participants or about the grave (pardon the pun) bid'ah of erecting tombs over graves and people literally worshipping them? As far as I was aware the kutoob of the ahnaaf are more than clear in stating the impermissibility of the building structures, tombs over graves. Nevermind the actions which people in this day and age have invented with regards to the graves of Awliyaa.

Hadhrat Umar had Hadhrat Danyaal alayhis salaam's grave exhumed and moved to another location for fear of people acting in an impermissible manner. He also had the tree of ridwaan cut down again for the same reason.

Are some people on here seriously stating that the qabr pujaari (grave worship) practices that are generally the mainstay at such tombs are permissible? For once forget who it is that is carrying out the obliteration of the haraam.

I think there is gross exaggeration going on here. Not a single Muslim would say that worshiping graves is acceptable. To suggest that it is somehow linked to Sufism is grossly disingenuous. The issue of building over graves, though, is an issue of Fiqh and there is a difference of opinion on this issue amongst the Shafi'is. Those who should be asked would be the Shafi'is since it is an issue of fiqh of their madhhab. But instead, a leap from building over graves to worshiping graves is being made, which none of the Shafi'is agree with either. Grave worshiping is a side effect of jahiliyyah, not Sufism nor due to ikhtilaaf in a madhhab. People do lots of weird thing without any reason. I've seen people rubbing the Kiswa of the Ka'bah as if to receive barakah from it. I've seen people push and fight to go to the Hajr-al-Aswad (when kissing the Hajr is sunnah, while fighting and pushing to get to it is haraam). All this happens under the sight of the muttawween but it is obvious that both these acts have little to do with Sufism or Salafism, but with jahiliyyah.

07-03-2012, 07:18 PM	#28
StoyaFanst Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 341 Senior Member	Is this thread supposed to be about the real or not real partisanship of Sunniforum participants or about the grave (pardon the pun) bid'ah of erecting tombs over graves and people literally worshipping them? As far as I was aware the kutoob of the ahnaaf are more than clear in stating the impermissibility of the building structures, tombs over graves. Nevermind the actions which people in this day and age have invented with regards to the graves of Awliyaa. Hadhrat Umar had Hadhrat Danyaal alayhis salaam's grave exhumed and moved to another location for fear of people acting in an impermissible manner. He also had the tree of ridwaan cut down again for the same reason. Are some people on here seriously stating that the qabr pujaari (grave worship) practices that are generally the mainstay at such tombs are permissible? For once forget who it is that is carrying out the obliteration of the haraam. I think there is gross exaggeration going on here. Not a single Muslim would say that worshiping graves is acceptable. To suggest that it is somehow linked to Sufism is grossly disingenuous. The issue of building over graves, though, is an issue of Fiqh and there is a difference of opinion on this issue amongst the Shafi'is. Those who should be asked would be the Shafi'is since it is an issue of fiqh of their madhhab. But instead, a leap from building over graves to worshiping graves is being made, which none of the Shafi'is agree with either. Grave worshiping is a side effect of jahiliyyah, not Sufism nor due to ikhtilaaf in a madhhab. People do lots of weird thing without any reason. I've seen people rubbing the Kiswa of the Ka'bah as if to receive barakah from it. I've seen people push and fight to go to the Hajr-al-Aswad (when kissing the Hajr is sunnah, while fighting and pushing to get to it is haraam). All this happens under the sight of the muttawween but it is obvious that both these acts have little to do with Sufism or Salafism, but with jahiliyyah.
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