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**searkibia** · 07-03-2012, 07:44 PM

so those hanafis taht do this woudl have no right blasting "ghair muqalids" then? This sounds like pure hawa. they want soemthing to be halal so find a way to make it halal. Ive heard hanafis quote other madhabs on bid'ah hasanah too.

here is teh shaafi quotes:

Imam ash-Shafii said: "I prefer that the soil used for a grave be no more than that dug for that grave. I like to see a grave raised above the ground the length of a hand or so. I prefer not to erect a structure over a grave or to whitewash it, for indeed this resembles decoration and vanity, and death is not the time for either of these things. I have never seen the graves of the Muhajirin or Ansar plastered. I have seen the Muslim authorities destroying structures in graveyards, and I have not seen any jurists object to this."[Kitabul Umm]

Imam ash-Shaafi’i said: “I detest that a creature [of Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta’aala)] be sanctified to a degree that his tomb becomes like a mosque [to which Salaat is performed] the thing that leads people astray.” [Al-’Umm (Vol. 1, Pp. 246)]

Ibn Hajar al Haythami As-Shafi'i said in his az-Zawajir: (This is a collection of legal verdicts, pubhshed when king Al-Zahir decided to destroy all the buildings in the graveyards. Coeval Islamic scholars collectively supported him saying to do so was incumbent upon the ruler)

"We should not hesitate to destroy mosques and domes built over graves. These are worse than the mosque of adDirar, because these things are erected in disobedience to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him. The Prophet, peace be upon him, has forbidden this and has ordered the destruction of raised graves. Every lamp or lantern placed over a grave must be removed. It is not correct to stop at a grave or make a vow at it. " as quoted in Fiqh-us-Sunnah

So I guess my question is, do the people at sunni forum have a problem with raising a shrine above a dead shaikh, and do you consider it to be a bad thing when its destoryed (overlooking whether its done in a wise manner)

"people at sunni forum" are a diverse bunch. The majority of Hanafis here are Deobandis and you know very well that we have a big problem with building over graves so it isn't our place as lay Hanafis to justify the opposite. The Shafi'is will give you their answer once they see your post. Also, the words of Imam ash-Shafi'i

are not necessarily the madhhab of the Shafi'is. I've mentioned the beard issue before, where the opinion of the contemporary Shafi'i madhhab differs from the view of Imam Shafi'i

. The modern Shafi'i madhhab is based on the refinement of it by Imam an-Nawawi

and Imam ar-Rifa'i

.

could it be argued that the guys in mali are also following a legitimate oppinion (i.e. that it is compulsory to destory raised graves) and as the new rulers they are implementing this opinion and they have clear daleel and so we should respect their opinion?

Especially if peope held views that opening this door would end the world, surely tahts not a permissable thing to leave

As rulers, they have every right to do so, yes, but their doing so cannot be used as an example of the Shafi'i madhhab.

07-03-2012, 07:44 PM	#36
searkibia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	so those hanafis taht do this woudl have no right blasting "ghair muqalids" then? This sounds like pure hawa. they want soemthing to be halal so find a way to make it halal. Ive heard hanafis quote other madhabs on bid'ah hasanah too. here is teh shaafi quotes: Imam ash-Shafii said: "I prefer that the soil used for a grave be no more than that dug for that grave. I like to see a grave raised above the ground the length of a hand or so. I prefer not to erect a structure over a grave or to whitewash it, for indeed this resembles decoration and vanity, and death is not the time for either of these things. I have never seen the graves of the Muhajirin or Ansar plastered. I have seen the Muslim authorities destroying structures in graveyards, and I have not seen any jurists object to this."[Kitabul Umm] Imam ash-Shaafi’i said: “I detest that a creature [of Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta’aala)] be sanctified to a degree that his tomb becomes like a mosque [to which Salaat is performed] the thing that leads people astray.” [Al-’Umm (Vol. 1, Pp. 246)] Ibn Hajar al Haythami As-Shafi'i said in his az-Zawajir: (This is a collection of legal verdicts, pubhshed when king Al-Zahir decided to destroy all the buildings in the graveyards. Coeval Islamic scholars collectively supported him saying to do so was incumbent upon the ruler) "We should not hesitate to destroy mosques and domes built over graves. These are worse than the mosque of adDirar, because these things are erected in disobedience to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him. The Prophet, peace be upon him, has forbidden this and has ordered the destruction of raised graves. Every lamp or lantern placed over a grave must be removed. It is not correct to stop at a grave or make a vow at it. " as quoted in Fiqh-us-Sunnah So I guess my question is, do the people at sunni forum have a problem with raising a shrine above a dead shaikh, and do you consider it to be a bad thing when its destoryed (overlooking whether its done in a wise manner) "people at sunni forum" are a diverse bunch. The majority of Hanafis here are Deobandis and you know very well that we have a big problem with building over graves so it isn't our place as lay Hanafis to justify the opposite. The Shafi'is will give you their answer once they see your post. Also, the words of Imam ash-Shafi'i are not necessarily the madhhab of the Shafi'is. I've mentioned the beard issue before, where the opinion of the contemporary Shafi'i madhhab differs from the view of Imam Shafi'i . The modern Shafi'i madhhab is based on the refinement of it by Imam an-Nawawi and Imam ar-Rifa'i . could it be argued that the guys in mali are also following a legitimate oppinion (i.e. that it is compulsory to destory raised graves) and as the new rulers they are implementing this opinion and they have clear daleel and so we should respect their opinion? Especially if peope held views that opening this door would end the world, surely tahts not a permissable thing to leave As rulers, they have every right to do so, yes, but their doing so cannot be used as an example of the Shafi'i madhhab.
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