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**TZids16I** · 02-21-2008, 02:36 AM

salamu `alaykum

No one joins this path to become an "elite in the field" but to be with Allah - pure and simple. As for "satisfaction: - the bedouin was satisfied with the five pillars, another may be satisfied with adding certain acts of nawawfil, another with adding some dhikr. The Sufis though are only satisfied when they are "with" Allah, not an intellectual ma`rifa but an experiental one.

The examples of the past Sufis are replete regarding the ultimate state of ihsan. Thinking anything else to be the goal is, i am sorry to say, also deception. Ihsan is a "hal", and it has levels just like wilaya does.We should recognize the ends and the means to the ends; not consider the means an ends in themselves.

Wasalam
Salman

Jazak Allah.. you confirm what I said.. It is a Haal and the attaining of that haal is through means.. some by awraad but preferably by masnoon ways.. All the Ibadiyaat Jamat Tabligh does are masnoon, and top that with sincerety and a kamil spiritual guide, you have the making of a best candidate for that "Haal".

Neither the mashaikh of Tablighi Jamaat or The khankahs attached to them claim to provide intelectual ma'rifa.. It is attained the same way your silsila would attain it. However in Tablighi Jamaat you will continue to strive in dunya much more than secluded muraqbas. It is nothing of secrecy in Marifa..as you said yourself it is a Haal, the secrecy in it is ONLY that it cannot be explained in meagre wordings.. But nonetheless Ihsaan is the goal..

02-21-2008, 02:36 AM	#26
TZids16I Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	salamu `alaykum No one joins this path to become an "elite in the field" but to be with Allah - pure and simple. As for "satisfaction: - the bedouin was satisfied with the five pillars, another may be satisfied with adding certain acts of nawawfil, another with adding some dhikr. The Sufis though are only satisfied when they are "with" Allah, not an intellectual ma`rifa but an experiental one. The examples of the past Sufis are replete regarding the ultimate state of ihsan. Thinking anything else to be the goal is, i am sorry to say, also deception. Ihsan is a "hal", and it has levels just like wilaya does.We should recognize the ends and the means to the ends; not consider the means an ends in themselves. Wasalam Salman Jazak Allah.. you confirm what I said.. It is a Haal and the attaining of that haal is through means.. some by awraad but preferably by masnoon ways.. All the Ibadiyaat Jamat Tabligh does are masnoon, and top that with sincerety and a kamil spiritual guide, you have the making of a best candidate for that "Haal". Neither the mashaikh of Tablighi Jamaat or The khankahs attached to them claim to provide intelectual ma'rifa.. It is attained the same way your silsila would attain it. However in Tablighi Jamaat you will continue to strive in dunya much more than secluded muraqbas. It is nothing of secrecy in Marifa..as you said yourself it is a Haal, the secrecy in it is ONLY that it cannot be explained in meagre wordings.. But nonetheless Ihsaan is the goal..
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