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**Flistelib** · 05-21-2012, 10:20 PM

How can Muslims obey Allah in their personal lives if governments and society make it so difficult and almost impossible to live as Muslims? An example is not paying interest on a mortgage...one has to either pay rent on a house where the landlord then pays their mortgage off and becomes rich, or one takes out a haram loan oneself. Muslims do not even talk about establishing a halal economy, most of us have not got a clue what that is. Islam is more than just prayers and fasting...it is trade, business and government...as long as Muslims never talk about these or try to bring the halal in, we will be dominated by the kufr.

My dear brother Abu Zakir, you seem to be frustrated regarding something, you well know what you said above and the the quote of ml ilyasji rh are 2 different things, tell me something, after being granted prophet-hood, did the Prophet pbuh say, "first i'll conquer makkah, then I can do dawah without any problems" did the sahabah do such things? did the sahabah have any such ideas? yes, Islam encompasses everything and its not just prayers and fasting but also about trade and governance, but when will that happen, it'll happen when people first realise what they are missing out on, we Muslims today are nowhere close to that, we fold our caps and put it in our pockets at the mere sight of a policeman or even a non_Muslim colleague at work, we fear to tell people of our religious affiliations, we fear to show our Muslim identity, so rather than putting the blame or even shifting the responsibility on others, jamats and all..we need take the responsibility ourselves, ask ourselves...

What can I do to make a difference?

dawah tabligh is for a purpose, its only a vehicle, the purpose is Deen, wherever we are, whatever we do, our lives should be governed by it, in tabligh we aren't said leave your jobs, leave your businesses and do tabligh 24/7/365, thats why you have a tarteeb, brothers abu tamim, dr76 etc haven't left their practice, i haven't, my city's zimmedars have their own businesses, 3 top zimmedars of my city are doctors themselves, they work on taqaza's, each of them 4 months in a year is a normal thing, yet they practice too, and through their hospitals & medical clinics, they're doing some amazing amazing khidmah of the community including non-Muslims, and at the same time dawah too...don't believe none of it, if you want to see, take my email and make a visit..

what is really surprising is the fact that people still have this notion that tabligh is all dawah and no real action on the ground, how stupid, in this age of youtube and twitter when anyone can view what maulana tariq jameel is conveying, we still have doubts...perhaps the 5th point (ikhlaas) is what is holding them back from shouting from their rooftops.

whenever i bring that quote of ml ilyasji rh up, i have to keep clearing the doubts...before you, it was Usama2...

anyways are we clear on this?

05-21-2012, 10:20 PM	#10
Flistelib Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 359 Senior Member	How can Muslims obey Allah in their personal lives if governments and society make it so difficult and almost impossible to live as Muslims? An example is not paying interest on a mortgage...one has to either pay rent on a house where the landlord then pays their mortgage off and becomes rich, or one takes out a haram loan oneself. Muslims do not even talk about establishing a halal economy, most of us have not got a clue what that is. Islam is more than just prayers and fasting...it is trade, business and government...as long as Muslims never talk about these or try to bring the halal in, we will be dominated by the kufr. My dear brother Abu Zakir, you seem to be frustrated regarding something, you well know what you said above and the the quote of ml ilyasji rh are 2 different things, tell me something, after being granted prophet-hood, did the Prophet pbuh say, "first i'll conquer makkah, then I can do dawah without any problems" did the sahabah do such things? did the sahabah have any such ideas? yes, Islam encompasses everything and its not just prayers and fasting but also about trade and governance, but when will that happen, it'll happen when people first realise what they are missing out on, we Muslims today are nowhere close to that, we fold our caps and put it in our pockets at the mere sight of a policeman or even a non_Muslim colleague at work, we fear to tell people of our religious affiliations, we fear to show our Muslim identity, so rather than putting the blame or even shifting the responsibility on others, jamats and all..we need take the responsibility ourselves, ask ourselves... What can I do to make a difference? dawah tabligh is for a purpose, its only a vehicle, the purpose is Deen, wherever we are, whatever we do, our lives should be governed by it, in tabligh we aren't said leave your jobs, leave your businesses and do tabligh 24/7/365, thats why you have a tarteeb, brothers abu tamim, dr76 etc haven't left their practice, i haven't, my city's zimmedars have their own businesses, 3 top zimmedars of my city are doctors themselves, they work on taqaza's, each of them 4 months in a year is a normal thing, yet they practice too, and through their hospitals & medical clinics, they're doing some amazing amazing khidmah of the community including non-Muslims, and at the same time dawah too...don't believe none of it, if you want to see, take my email and make a visit.. what is really surprising is the fact that people still have this notion that tabligh is all dawah and no real action on the ground, how stupid, in this age of youtube and twitter when anyone can view what maulana tariq jameel is conveying, we still have doubts...perhaps the 5th point (ikhlaas) is what is holding them back from shouting from their rooftops. whenever i bring that quote of ml ilyasji rh up, i have to keep clearing the doubts...before you, it was Usama2... anyways are we clear on this?
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